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    possible next run

    lets see..may need to work on the diet a touch. PHATE.. lol

    750mg test enanthate 1-16
    500mg tren enanthate 1-12
    400mg mast enanthate 1-12
    60mg var 6-18
    100mg prop ed 1-4

    .25 adex and 10mg nolvadex through cycle.. yes i run nolvadex with tren.
    pct bump the nolvadex to 20mg and run 20mg nolvadex and 100mg clomid for 4-5 weeks.. if gonna run it more than 4 weeks may drop the clomid to 50 the last 2 this time.

    (1)50g protein shake

    (2)10egg whites with 1 yolk and salsa
    Yoplait light yogurt or an apple
    1/2cup oatmeal

    (3)Can of tuna with honey mustard
    20 almonds

    (4)8oz grilled chicken, salmon, or two 4oz buffalo patties
    1-2 cups of steamed broccoli

    (5)50g protien shake
    banana

    (6)Grilled chicken, seared ahi tuna or ground turkey
    1cup brown rice(workout days mon-fri)
    1-2 cups steamed broccoli

    (7)Can of tuna and honey mustard
    20almonds

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    Well stats?!?

    I see you don't have alot of carbs in your diet... And this would be a good cycle to freaky looking... Was planning on a similar cycle to this for my next run but without the var. and much more carbs in my diet.... I will be lean bulking

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mulciber View Post
    lets see..may need to work on the diet a touch. PHATE.. lol

    750mg test enanthate 1-16
    500mg tren enanthate 1-12
    400mg mast enanthate 1-12
    60mg var 6-18
    100mg prop ed 1-4

    .25 adex and 10mg nolvadex through cycle.. yes i run nolvadex with tren.
    pct bump the nolvadex to 20mg and run 20mg nolvadex and 100mg clomid for 4-5 weeks.. if gonna run it more than 4 weeks may drop the clomid to 50 the last 2 this time.

    (1)50g protein shake

    (2)10egg whites with 1 yolk and salsa
    Yoplait light yogurt or an apple
    1/2cup oatmeal

    (3)Can of tuna with honey mustard
    20 almonds

    (4)8oz grilled chicken, salmon, or two 4oz buffalo patties
    1-2 cups of steamed broccoli

    (5)50g protien shake
    banana

    (6)Grilled chicken, seared ahi tuna or ground turkey
    1cup brown rice(workout days mon-fri)
    1-2 cups steamed broccoli

    (7)Can of tuna and honey mustard
    20almonds

    Do you drink that protein shake right when you wake up?? If so i'd say add like 24oz gatorade with that to get a nice little insulin spike right when you wake up then eat your meal 2 an hour later, also i don't know if it's a good idea to have the almonds in your last meal. I don't see the good in eating fat past like 7pm either, it slows down your nutrient absorption.. Just my 2 cents

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    yeah think about keeping the carbs low.. i dont know.. just throwing some things out there.. sure it will change drastically before i start..


    yeah jp..shake would be first thing.. i hear ya on the late meals.. ehhh, work in progress

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    Is your goal a lean bulk? Or just to get cut the heck up? By looking at your diet you're going to be one shredded dude

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    maybe consider lowering test?

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    yeah, im where i wanna be for the most part.. BF is probably up to about 13 or so tho.. thought id drop the carbs while on this and see where it takes me.. probably not enough food there to be honest.. didnt figure it out or anything.. guess i should take the time to do this...lol practice what i preach..

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    Yes I'm interested in what your goals are exactly. If yor a big guy 230+ I would ditch the protein shake in the morning and no gatorade (sugar+water=gatorade) . If your trying to gain you need a bigger breakfast IMO. I'd go with something like 6-8 egg whites, 2-4 0mega eggs, 2 slices of ezekiel bread, 1/2 cup of oats, 1/3 cup of blueberries. Just my 2 cents.

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    Like reed said not sure on your weight or anything.. But a nice lean bulk could consist of.. Your weight x 15 = Total calories (50% protein, 30% carbs, 20% fat). I've done good with that type of diet

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    yeah 230-235 mark.. give or take. . thanksgiving and all.. .. 6' 1.. not looking to gain much, .. just harden/lean up..what am i saying.. of course i want to gain more.. while dropping the BF down a touch..

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    arg.. scale says 239

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reed500 View Post
    Yes I'm interested in what your goals are exactly. If yor a big guy 230+ I would ditch the protein shake in the morning and no gatorade (sugar+water=gatorade) . If your trying to gain you need a bigger breakfast IMO. I'd go with something like 6-8 egg whites, 2-4 0mega eggs, 2 slices of ezekiel bread, 1/2 cup of oats, 1/3 cup of blueberries. Just my 2 cents.
    Hell ya! I always eat a big breakfast. 2 whole eggs, 5 egg whites, 1 slice whole grain bread, 2 turkey sausages, 1/2 cup oats. Sometime hash browns instead of the toast. I always save the shake for meal two and put lots of other goodies in it. This looks like a cutting diet. Carbs and calories are very low.

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    i hear ya.. i was thinking cardio before meal (2).. and i train late..
    would have to switch things up depending when i was hitting the gym..
    trying to get a few fresh ideas

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    looks like a killer cycle bro, should put some mad size on. good luck

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    I would think with those compounds and if your good with your diet/workout regiment I'd add in more carbs, you just said you wanted to gain right . I'm eating a load of carbs right now and I'm on just test/winny and I'm gaining/getting stronger/leaning out all at the same time..... and at your weight I'd probably aim for about 40-50 grams of protein per meal..... make sure to get in enough EFA's too. They are important. 0mega eggs are great, put a table spoon of virgin olive oil/macadamia nut oil (which is phenominal btw) on your meats, and supplementing 0mega-3 fish oils is vital..

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    running var for 13 weeks dont seem to safe i would drop it to 8 weeks if it were me.

    that pct looks weak for such a strong and long cycle. i would def consider hcg through out and using aromasin + nolva or clomid + arimidex for 4-6 weeks

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    i hear ya.. not that i recommend it.. ive ran var for 16 at 40mg.. very mild imo.. liver values were only slightly elevated.. nothing to drastic. dont kow if it helps all that much but run liv52 and NAC.

    oh HCG is a given.. usually use 500iu a couple times a week.. gonna try 250iu and see how it works for me..

    usually run the adex at .25 during cycle right through pct..

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    wouldn't slower nutrient absorption at night be a good thing? so that your body keeps getting nutrients all night long while you sleep? idk just my angle on it

    i don't think its much food either. with tren /mast i really don't think you need to worry about getting fat, so some nice clean calories will make it all the more rewarding.

    the cycle itself looks good though.

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    Looks like a contest prep diet. I eat 250 grams of Carbs ED on contest prep. Can't gain mass on one of those, but you can get shredded.

    Time it right, and you could compete at the end of your cycle!

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    I've run mast towards the end of test/tren ....and have gotten great results..the mast helped drop the fat weight from the cycle...started at 12% and now I gotta be no more than 9%..super shredded but still kept most size gains. Figure this..I was 220lbs at end of tren...and couldn't fit into my size 34's..now they fit just fine..and I'm at 206lbs.

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    I like the cycle, the only thing i would change is the length of it, i prefer much shorter cycles linked to a prime for your goals.

    I also cant see why your running all them compounds along side a low calorie diet, this isn't needed to lean up IMHO, let me try to explain what would be better for all round leaning and bulking...

    I would prime the body beforehand for 6 -8wks, lean up and create a very anabolic environment and open the growth window for muscle tissue to grow, then hit the cycle and increase calories and don't waste the gear leaning up, I would also cut the whole cycle down a few wks, there would be no need for all them wks if you prime correctly and create the right environment, this way you lean up and drop bf before the cycle, create a huge growth spurt and hit the cycle and feed the growth and tissue.
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    I love the cycle but IMO your not eating enough.. I think you should tweak the diet, but your cycle looks good bro. Good luck

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    Quote Originally Posted by marcus300 View Post
    I like the cycle, the only thing i would change is the length of it, i prefer much shorter cycles linked to a prime for your goals.

    I also cant see why your running all them compounds along side a low calorie diet, this isn't needed to lean up IMHO, let me try to explain what would be better for all round leaning and bulking...

    I would prime the body beforehand for 6 -8wks, lean up and create a very anabolic environment and open the growth window for muscle tissue to grow, then hit the cycle and increase calories and don't waste the gear leaning up, I would also cut the whole cycle down a few wks, there would be no need for all them wks if you prime correctly and create the right environment, this way you lean up and drop bf before the cycle, create a huge growth spurt and hit the cycle and feed the growth and tissue.
    very interesting! Now when you say prime, how much of a calorie defecit are you talking about (300-500 cals below maintenance)? I would like to hear all about your personal experiences with this method.
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    agree with m302 but i don't want to hijack mulciber's thread.. So marcus would you be willing to post this idea? or can i search it

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    Agree^^^! Mulciber, sorry about the

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    lol..no problem guys.. interested as well..trying to get some ideas myself

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mulciber View Post
    lets see..may need to work on the diet a touch. PHATE.. lol
    i got ya bro, lets have a look
    750mg test enanthate 1-16
    500mg tren enanthate 1-12
    400mg mast enanthate 1-12
    60mg var 6-18
    100mg prop ed 1-4

    .25 adex and 10mg nolvadex through cycle.. yes i run nolvadex with tren.
    pct bump the nolvadex to 20mg and run 20mg nolvadex and 100mg clomid for 4-5 weeks.. if gonna run it more than 4 weeks may drop the clomid to 50 the last 2 this time.

    (1)50g protein shake

    (2)10egg whites with 1 yolk and salsa
    Yoplait light yogurt or an apple
    1/2cup oatmeal

    (3)Can of tuna with honey mustard
    20 almonds

    (4)8oz grilled chicken, salmon, or two 4oz buffalo patties
    1-2 cups of steamed broccoli

    (5)50g protien shake
    banana

    (6)Grilled chicken, seared ahi tuna or ground turkey
    1cup brown rice(workout days mon-fri)
    1-2 cups steamed broccoli

    (7)Can of tuna and honey mustard
    20almonds
    is this going to be a cut, clean bulk, or straight up hardcore bulk, or somewhere in between?

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    im gonna now say a very clean bulk.. no way that diet is gonna cut it for me tho.. was something i was considering,atleast something along those lines but the more i look at it...gonna need some work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mulciber View Post
    im gonna now say a very clean bulk.. no way that diet is gonna cut it for me tho.. was something i was considering,atleast something along those lines but the more i look at it...gonna need some work.
    well normally i would do it tomorrow cause i'm studying now and the ex is over , but ya know what, bros before hoes(yeah she saw me type and and is laughing her ass off)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mulciber View Post
    lets see..may need to work on the diet a touch. PHATE.. lol

    750mg test enanthate 1-16
    500mg tren enanthate 1-12
    400mg mast enanthate 1-12
    60mg var 6-18
    100mg prop ed 1-4

    .25 adex and 10mg nolvadex through cycle.. yes i run nolvadex with tren.
    pct bump the nolvadex to 20mg and run 20mg nolvadex and 100mg clomid for 4-5 weeks.. if gonna run it more than 4 weeks may drop the clomid to 50 the last 2 this time.

    (1)50g protein shake
    throw in some carbs here, in the morning i would use a clean source like sweet potatos are oats, about 70-80g
    (2)10egg whites with 1 yolk and salsa
    Yoplait light yogurt or an apple
    1/2cup oatmeal
    double the oatmeal, watch the sugar in the yougurt, but you should be good
    (3)Can of tuna with honey mustard
    20 almonds
    double the tuna, should get around 20g of fat from the almonds
    (4)8oz grilled chicken, salmon, or two 4oz buffalo patties
    1-2 cups of steamed broccoli
    i like the steamed veges, helps the get rid of the goitrogens
    (5)50g protien shake
    banana
    is this PWO, if so then up the protein to 75g and triple the banana, yes i said triple, most bananas are around 30g of carbs per banana and you need the carbs, i would throw in some waxy maize starch or simple carbs as well for an insulin spike
    (6)Grilled chicken, seared ahi tuna or ground turkey
    1cup brown rice(workout days mon-fri)
    1-2 cups steamed broccoli
    good
    (7)Can of tuna and honey mustard
    20almonds
    same as above

    that should work and if i'm headmathing right that diet should be around 4000cal

    what is your BMR btw?

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    appreciate it.. and its no hurry bro.. im in no hurry..take care of your studies and well,dont know about the situation but your ex too..

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    thank ya sir

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    dunno..according tto the little calculator its 2198.75

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mulciber View Post
    appreciate it.. and its no hurry bro.. im in no hurry..take care of your studies and well,dont know about the situation but your ex too..
    lol, thanks bro, but she doesn't care, we've got all day and night till i leave tomorrow for waco, lol

    Quote Originally Posted by Mulciber View Post
    thank ya sir
    no prob, keep me updated and if you need to change the diet around because something isn't working or just cause it's getting monotonous just give me a holla, i'll critique and change it as much as you need

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mulciber View Post
    dunno..according tto the little calculator its 2198.75
    no way, i'm about 2800 and you are bigger than i am

    age
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    66 + (13.75 x weight in kg) + (5 x height in cm) – ( 6.8 x age in yrs)

    manually put the things in and then multiply by whatever activity multiplier you need

    Little or No Exercise, Desk Job TDEE = 1.2 x BMR
    Light Exercise, Sports 1 to 3 Times Per Week TDEE = 1.375 x BMR

    Moderate Exercise, Sports 3 to 5 Times Per Week
    TDEE = 1.55 x BMR

    Heavy Exercise, Sports 6 to 7 Times Per Week
    TDEE = 1.725 x BMR

    Very heavy exercise, Physical Job, Training 2 Times Per Day
    TDEE = 1.9 x BMR

    sometimes those calculators make mistakes
    Last edited by Phate; 12-04-2008 at 04:01 PM.

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    2800? mine was like low 2000 or something when i did it for a school project

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    Quote Originally Posted by T_Own View Post
    2800? mine was like low 2000 or something when i did it for a school project
    even with the activity multiplier?

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    didnt think that was right.. maybe because im old..lol

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    wow yeah idk what i did. we must have used different calculators, mine is like 3200

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    Quote Originally Posted by M302_Imola View Post
    very interesting! Now when you say prime, how much of a calorie defecit are you talking about (300-500 cals below maintenance)? I would like to hear all about your personal experiences with this method.
    Here is an article i wrote regarding primming-

    Priming before a cycle explained


    Please read the basic ideas around priming,

    You need to work off a basic diet one which your maintaining on, this is the diet what you prime from, its all about confusing the body, Ive found that carb cycling is the best way to prime, it also keeps hold of valuable muscle tissue if its done correctly,

    The best way Ive found is 3-5 days low carb 40% less than your maintenance diet then followed by 1 day high carb 15% higher than the maintenance diet, you will have to adjust the low carb days to suit your body but don't go near 7 days low carbs, a common problem with reducing carbs is that over time the metabolic rate can and will begin to adapt, when carbs stays low for an extended period of time usually at the 7 day mark and up, fat cells attempt to hold on by resisting the release of fatty acids, levels of lipoprotien lipase tend to rise and thyroid levels drop, these both effect overall basal metabolism and are part of the starvation response which off sets reductions in energy intake and is very common to muscle wastage, so adjust to your body's response but in my opinion don't go 7 days or more,

    The one high carb day should be introduced around 3-5 day mark of low carbs, the high carb day at around day 3-5 this interrupts the starvation response which restores thyroid levels back to normal while also suppressing the fat storing enzyme lipoprotein ( which rises after day 7 of a lower carb intake) which results in no muscle tissue wastage,

    Also if you catch this right at when the glycogen levels drop which is around 3-5 day mark and you follow this by the high carb day with an increase of calories even higher than what the body had been use to previous to the reduction, the body responds by increasing thermogenesis which in turn helps the whole process,

    Everybody is different but ive got alot of personally logs/reports which show muscle wastage on carb cycling at the 7 day mark and up, the body re-adjusts itself at this stage and holds onto the fat cells while using the precious muscle tissue as energy, which in turn the individual will lose more muscle tissue than stopping short this process at 3-5 day mark of the low carb,

    The key is tricking the metabolism into losing fat instead of muscle tissue by rotating carbs but not letting the body trigger the starvation response, also Ive found that before any type of carb cycling you must of establish a basic diet which you have ran for a number of weeks in where the body isn't gaining or losing any size just maintaining what its got, this is very important because this established diet is what you work off so we get the body to respond the best by dropping bf and holding onto muscle tissue,

    As you priming your body goes into a environment were muscle tissue can be built very fast, just look how much you put on after a contest, this whole process you take advantage of and put it together with a cycle and hit all comounds hard and fast, an increase in calories is needed everyday of the cycle, you must support the amount of AAS and growth the body wants to grow, as soon as you start the cycle your body is very anabolic so take advantage of this and hit it hard, growth comes on fast,


    Dont set a target weight for the prime, the prime isnt really about weight loss its about priming the body for the intense cycle/training, do the prime as slow as possible the body reacts better if its done this way, make sure you carb cycle of the maintance diet what you have now, confuse the body dont do anything drastic slowly build the enviroment for growth, trust me do this part spot on and the gains are untrue, the body only grows in short bursts this is a natural thing from babys to teenagers, so go with the flow of the body just create the body ready for the growth and very intense training,

    Make sure your on a low dose gh throughout the prime,

    slowly confuse the body into burning fat as fuel then restore the gyl store with the 1 day high carb, but this 1 day wont full them up only restore abit so next time you low carb for 3-5 day even more fat will be burnt and the process of creating an anabolic enviroment is getting acheived.

    when you start to reduce carbs by 40% for 3-5 days the glycogen stores start to deplete and when muscle glycogen stores are lower a metabolic shift occurs where additional fat is used for fuel which in turn promotes fat loss so after you return back to 1 day high carb intake the extra carbs simply re-store muscles with glycogen, so as long as there is room for more glucose from carbs the carbs must be stored as glycogen, but with only one day higher carbs the store are not fully full so the next time you do 3-5 day lower carbs the stores get even more depleted which even triggers more fat loss but the high day carb is enough to stop the starvation response of the body so no metabolic shift to slow it down,

    This overall procedure puts your body into a very anabolic environment for muscle tissue to grow couple this with a cycle and growth is amazing, but i must stress the prime as to be done correctly to take full advantage
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