Please critique my cutting stack

**jtakja** · 12-07-2008, 11:36 AM

I obtain my AAS through a doctor and I am limited to the different products I can get. The below cutting stack is designed based on the products available to me. PLease comment on the dosages and timing/duration of the products below rather than suggesting other products which I can not obtain. Thanks.

Wk 1-12 Test Prop 150mg EOD
WK 1-10 Deca 300mg/wk
WK 6-14 Inj. Anavar /Winny 50/50combo 150mg EOD
WK 4-14 T3 25mcg-100mcg pyramided up than down over the 10 wks
Wk 14 Herbal diueretic
WK 14 PCT HCG & Clomid
Arimidex 1mg EOD until end of Post Cycle

**Bossman** · 12-07-2008, 01:38 PM

Since this is your 2nd post, it would be nice to know your stats;age,weight, workout history, bf%, cycle history, diet plan on this cycle will be very important.

Deca is something I usually would not add to a cutting cycle. But, at 300 mg/wk it isnt that high of a dose. And, it will help keep joints in good shape. Your Adex is a little high IMO. Maybe dose at .5mg EOD. That should be plenty to keep estrogen in shape. You can always dose higher if needed, but I doubt you will. I haven't used the var/winny combo but I have a friend that swears by it for fat loss.

Looks like a decent cutting cycle. Have you though of adding Clen ? It works well with the T3.

**smokethedays** · 12-07-2008, 01:43 PM

Originally Posted by cgb6810

Since this is your 2nd post, it would be nice to know your stats;age,weight, workout history, bf%, cycle history, diet plan on this cycle will be very important.

Deca is something I usually would not add to a cutting cycle. But, at 300 mg/wk it isnt that high of a dose. And, it will help keep joints in good shape. Your Adex is a little high IMO. Maybe dose at .5mg EOD. That should be plenty to keep estrogen in shape. You can always dose higher if needed, but I doubt you will. I haven't used the var/winny combo but I have a friend that swears by it for fat loss.

Looks like a decent cutting cycle. Have you though of adding Clen? It works well with the T3.

Neither Anavar or Winstrol can promote fat loss. It promote vascularity and less water, making it look like fat loss.
10 weeks on Deca will not do much for his joints. IMO

Originally Posted by jtakja

I obtain my AAS through a doctor and I am limited to the different products I can get. The below cutting stack is designed based on the products available to me. PLease comment on the dosages and timing/duration of the products below rather than suggesting other products which I can not obtain. Thanks.

Wk 1-12 Test Prop 150mg EOD
WK 1-10 Deca 300mg/wk
WK 6-14 Inj. Anavar/Winny 50/50combo 150mg EOD
WK 4-14 T3 25mcg-100mcg pyramided up than down over the 10 wks
Wk 14 Herbal diueretic
WK 14 PCT HCG & Clomid
Arimidex 1mg EOD until end of Post Cycle

What are you stats, bro.

Regardless of that though, all looks good except:

Cancel the Deca, and drop Arimidex to .25 mg EOD
you arn't taking much that could aromatize, the only thing is Test and Prop at the dose will not need 1 mg of Arimidex.

**Bossman** · 12-07-2008, 01:48 PM

Originally Posted by smokethedays

Neither Anavar or Winstrol can promote fat loss. It promote vascularity and less water, making it look like fat loss.
10 weeks on Deca will not do much for his joints. IMO

I run deca at 150mg week during cutting and it works wonders on my old joints. Maybe its my age, but I won't run a cycle without it.

**smokethedays** · 12-07-2008, 01:55 PM

Originally Posted by cgb6810

I run deca at 150mg week during cutting and it works wonders on my old joints. Maybe its my age, but I won't run a cycle without it.

Deca at such low dose and short period will not promote much. Long esters need to be ran for longer period of time to stablize and give you whats potential of it. For example running Test E, cyp, Eq, Deca for less than 16 weeks is B.S. IMO

That fact the he is after cutting and using Anavar and Winstrol together makes Deca here like spilling water on fire bro.

**Bossman** · 12-07-2008, 04:03 PM

Originally Posted by smokethedays

Deca at such low dose and short period will not promote much. Long esters need to be ran for longer period of time to stablize and give you whats potential of it. For example running Test E, cyp, Eq, Deca for less than 16 weeks is B.S. IMO

That fact the he is after cutting and using Anavar and Winstrol together makes Deca here like spilling water on fire bro.

Bro, low dose deca helps the joints. That was the first thing I said in my post. If you're looking for joint support only, 150mg per week will help. As well, winny f*cks up my joints. The deca will help.

**Bossman** · 12-07-2008, 04:12 PM

Originally Posted by Ljanowar

Your 21, and have never used AAS. Go back to the porno site you were just on and continue.

just ignore him please. his advice is horrible and he is on his way out if he dosnt straighten up. you obviously know what works for you so stick with it. good luck bro.
-PT

**smokethedays** · 12-07-2008, 06:44 PM

Originally Posted by cgb6810

Bro, low dose deca helps the joints. That was the first thing I said in my post. If you're looking for joint support only, 150mg per week will help. As well, winny f*cks up my joints. The deca will help.

Your stating facts which is totally fine and correct. But unfortunatley you are giving a bad advice.

It makes no sense for him to use Deca for two reasons:
1- He is cutting
2- the fact that he is running Winstrol towards the end, true will be a little harsh on his joints but by the time he feels the pain (usually 3 weeks in), he is about to get off the entire cycle.
Therefore, its stupid to run Deca to "grease up" his joints, just to ease up few weeks of joint discomfort. He will be gaining water weight all along the cycle. In other words, the bad out weights the good considering Deca.

**jtakja** · 12-07-2008, 09:52 PM

Originally Posted by cgb6810

Since this is your 2nd post, it would be nice to know your stats;age,weight, workout history, bf%, cycle history, diet plan on this cycle will be very important.

Deca is something I usually would not add to a cutting cycle. But, at 300 mg/wk it isnt that high of a dose. And, it will help keep joints in good shape. Your Adex is a little high IMO. Maybe dose at .5mg EOD. That should be plenty to keep estrogen in shape. You can always dose higher if needed, but I doubt you will. I haven't used the var/winny combo but I have a friend that swears by it for fat loss.

Looks like a decent cutting cycle. Have you though of adding Clen? It works well with the T3.

Currently: 29yrs old 6'3" 225lbs 8.5 % BF. I plan on doing a bulking cycle of test susp. 100mg per day and deca 400mg per week prior to starting the cutting cycle, with a 6 week break in between. I have been training on and off for years, but really serious with diet and training for the past year. For cutting, I will be on a 4 day low carb diet cycling one carb up day, etc. I will slowly drop my calories starting 30 days prior to the cutting cycle. I will be doing cardio 5 days per week and lifting 2x per day 3x per week, 1x per day the other 3 days and complete rest on Sundays.

I was keeping the Arimidex high to prevent any estrogen, water ret, bloating, etc. I agree with the low dose Deca for joints and the fact that it doesn't aromatize anything close to the test. I am keeping my test relatively low and adding the deca for an extra boost. I'd prefer not to take Clen , I'm picky about my health.. Thanks for the input.

**jtakja** · 12-07-2008, 09:54 PM

What do you guys think about boosting the Win/Var up to 100mg per day?
Also, thoughts about the length of the cycle, etc? Thanks.

**Mulciber** · 12-07-2008, 09:58 PM

no need to run them at 100mg imo

**Jfew44** · 12-07-2008, 10:25 PM

Originally Posted by jtakja

Currently: 29yrs old 6'3" 225lbs 8.5 % BF. I plan on doing a bulking cycle of test susp. 100mg per day and deca 400mg per week prior to starting the cutting cycle, with a 6 week break in between. I have been training on and off for years, but really serious with diet and training for the past year. For cutting, I will be on a 4 day low carb diet cycling one carb up day, etc. I will slowly drop my calories starting 30 days prior to the cutting cycle. I will be doing cardio 5 days per week and lifting 2x per day 3x per week, 1x per day the other 3 days and complete rest on Sundays.

I was keeping the Arimidex high to prevent any estrogen, water ret, bloating, etc. I agree with the low dose Deca for joints and the fact that it doesn't aromatize anything close to the test. I am keeping my test relatively low and adding the deca for an extra boost. I'd prefer not to take Clen, I'm picky about my health.. Thanks for the input.

If you've had joint problems in the past, I'd go with a low dose deca, but I'd take more time off than 6 weeks in between your bulker and cutter, especially if you're running deca for the bulker. If it was me, I'd run a good PCT then wait. Time on + PCT = Time off, unless you're a pro which it doesn't seem like. No need to take unneccessary risks IMO.

Oh, and just looking, what is your cycle history bro?

**jtakja** · 12-08-2008, 06:59 PM

Originally Posted by Jfew44

If you've had joint problems in the past, I'd go with a low dose deca , but I'd take more time off than 6 weeks in between your bulker and cutter, especially if you're running deca for the bulker. If it was me, I'd run a good PCT then wait. Time on + PCT = Time off, unless you're a pro which it doesn't seem like. No need to take unneccessary risks IMO.

Oh, and just looking, what is your cycle history bro?

This would be my third cycle of real gear. I did lots of PH's years ago.(When they were real, M1T, 1AD, 4AD, etc.) For my real cycles, I have used:

Test Prop. 50mg EOD
Test Cyp. 400mg/week
Deca 200mg/week
Anavar /Winstrol 100mg EOD