Help a newbie out

[hotsauce2k]

I live in California and have done a cycle of Test/Deca in the past with amazing results. But that was 8 years ago. Edited Are there any supplements on the market that equal to the results of a real steroid stack? Or am I shit out of luck? I have tried Animal Test and M-stak with some good results...And just bought some Novedex XT...not seeing anything great on it yet. Any one else know of something for me? By the way, Im 5-11 200 lbs with about 20% bf...looking to add some lean mass and lean out. Thanks

[kaberle_15]

There are no otc supplements that will give you the same results as anabolic steroids.

[hotsauce2k]

Damn! lol Yeah, I was afraid of that. I was hoping someone would refer me to a miracle OTC stack. I appreciate the response

[kaberle_15]

No one said you couldn't make great gains with a good diet and hard training. The only supps I would suggest are whey, amino's, glutamine, vitamins, and maybe some zma.

[inky-e]

I live in California and have done a cycle of Test/Deca in the past with amazing results. But that was 8 years ago. Edited Are there any supplements on the market that equal to the results of a real steroid stack? Or am I shit out of luck? I have tried Animal Test and M-stak with some good results...And just bought some Novedex XT...not seeing anything great on it yet. Any one else know of something for me? By the way, Im 5-11 200 lbs with about 20% bf...looking to add some lean mass and lean out. Thanks

Considering your stats...I'd say your diet needs lots of tweeking...and how long have you been working out as of late...forget 8 years ago...thats over and in the past.

[hotsauce2k]

Considering your stats...I'd say your diet needs lots of tweeking...and how long have you been working out as of late...forget 8 years ago...thats over and in the past.

About 3 years consistently. When after my first cycle I got depressed when coming off of it stopped working out and ballooned to 260 lbs. I started eating healthy and worked out to get down to 185. I have put on about 15lbs of muscle since. Looking for something to help me put on a little more muscle but harden up.

[Phate]

About 3 years consistently. When after my first cycle I got depressed when coming off of it stopped working out and ballooned to 260 lbs. I started eating healthy and worked out to get down to 185. I have put on about 15lbs of muscle since. Looking for something to help me put on a little more muscle but harden up.

i think a good diet is exactly what you are looking for

post everything you eat tomorrow with amounts and such, and i mean EVERYTHING, condiments, jams everything, lol

we'll help you critique it and i bet you'll start getting better results, i would also suggest empty stomach cardio in the morning 4-5x per week if possible for 30-40min to help you lean down

[T_Own]

a better diet will do that. in my mind, if you have a good diet and a decent workout routine you should be under 15% bf

[hotsauce2k]

i think a good diet is exactly what you are looking for

post everything you eat tomorrow with amounts and such, and i mean EVERYTHING, condiments, jams everything, lol

we'll help you critique it and i bet you'll start getting better results, i would also suggest empty stomach cardio in the morning 4-5x per week if possible for 30-40min to help you lean down

Here is what I have eatin today:

BREAKFAST:

3 whole eggs + 3 egg whites
1 cup of cooked oatmeal

LATE MORNING SNACK:

2 scoops of whey, 1 Tbsp. Peanut Butter

LUNCH:

6oz Turkey Deli Meat
1Tbsp. Fat Free mayo
2 slices of whole wheat bread

DINNER:

12 oz lean meat/fish
1 cup veggies
1 salad

NIGHTTIME SNACK

8oz Low Fat Cottage Cheese

PREWORKOUT

1 scoop of whey
1 banana

POST WORKOUT

2 scoops of whey
(fast digesting carbs)


What do you guys think?