My next cycle right away.

[brox]

hello guys, im 24 i just completed my first cycle, i started at 130 and now im at 140, i gained 10 pounds and now im benching 50 pounds on each side of the bar i started at 25, i was taking 2CCs of sustanon on mondays and 1CC of bouldamon on fridays, my question is, i feel really good, should i take a 3 month break, or jump into deca on mondays and 300Mil of test on fridays, the only side effect ive felt is numb hands at night time while sleeping and ive gotten big.

thanks.

[Big]

hello guys, im 24 i just completed my first cycle, i started at 130 and now im at 140, i gained 10 pounds and now im benching 50 pounds on each side of the bar i started at 25, i was taking 2CCs of sustanon on mondays and 1CC of bouldamon on fridays, my question is, i feel really good, should i take a 3 month break, or jump into deca on mondays and 300Mil of test on fridays, the only side effect ive felt is numb hands at night time while sleeping and ive gotten big.

thanks.

Welcome.
I lost count of how many reasons you shouldn't be using steroids in just your first post.
lets start here:

height?
present weight?
body fat%?
years training?
what was your pct?

[mg316]

I lost count of how many reasons you shouldn't be using steroids in just your first post.

i agree

[brox]

height: 5.6
present weight 139 punds
body fat%? no idea bro
years training ive been working out hardcore for about 4 months
what was your pct? i dont know what that is

: / i started doing steroids because ive tried all kind of weight gain diets and they dont work with me, this is the first time ive seen change.

[FireGuy]

Just when you think you heard it all........

[Big]

please list your daily diet in detail, what you eat, total calories, total protein per day, etc.

[Matt]

height: 5.6
present weight 139 punds
body fat%? no idea bro
years training ive been working out hardcore for about 4 months
what was your pct? i dont know what that is

: / i started doing steroids because ive tried all kind of weight gain diets and they dont work with me, this is the first time ive seen change.

You really need to forget steroids. Spend some time reading the vast amount of information on this board. What you are doing is dangerous. Your health is at serious risk.

[G-1000]

OK wow lest see if we can get you in the right direction with out you getting flamed off the form.

Why did you chose to use aas??

What do you know about diet?? Do you feel you have a good one. Please post it.

Did you do any research on aas before useing?? Were did you get the info??? Never take advise from that source again.

[Matt]

I really hope this is someone just having a joke.

[brox]

please list your daily diet in detail, what you eat, total calories, total protein per day, etc.

i eat 2 peanut butter sandwiches in the morning, and 10 i drink a glass of muscle milk with a jam and cheese sandwich, at 1:00 i go to lunch usually fast food place, most of the time it involves meat and i stuff my self, when i leave work at 4:00 before working out i drink another muscle milk and after i work out i drink another muscle milk, then at 7:00 i eat dinner usually chicken or fish with rice beans potatoes and what not, and before going to bed i usually have snack.

if you guys think i shouldnt be juicing let me know why, im looking for advice sorry i cant be more informative.

[higherdesire]

brox you aren't the first and I am sure you won;t be the last, but you have your focus in the wrong place. The way you eat is the most important part of this thing hands down. THE MOST IMPORTANT. more so than your work out routine and your steroid choices. Spend some time reading the diet section first, then progress to the work out forum, then study what compounds will work for you, and once you have gotten on the road to eating well, and working out right, then you will most likely see that you are progressing better than the results you have seen for the first, uh, 'cycle' you have done. Good luck, and stay away from AAS by any means necessary, until you have the rest of your game in place.

[redz]

reason 1- You are tiny and need to gain naturally before juicing
reason 2- You were incorrectly injecting the steroids in your last cycle
reason 3- you are propsing a cycle right after a cycle
reason 4- you likely did no pct
reason 5- your diet is aweful
reason 6- you are still brutally small and weak after your first cycle

[G-1000]

i eat 2 peanut butter sandwiches in the morning, and 10 i drink a glass of muscle milk with a jam and cheese sandwich, at 1:00 i go to lunch usually fast food place, most of the time it involves meat and i stuff my self, when i leave work at 4:00 before working out i drink another muscle milk and after i work out i drink another muscle milk, then at 7:00 i eat dinner usually chicken or fish with rice beans potatoes and what not, and before going to bed i usually have snack.

if you guys think i shouldnt be juicing let me know why, im looking for advice sorry i cant be more informative.

You should be asking why you should juice. Not if we think you shouldn't

Ok you have a lot to learn. You know as much as a 2 year old when it comes to diet.

Do you think your diet is correct?? lets start there because if you do im not going to was any more time.

[Big]

start here. diet properly for a few months and you will be amazed at the results.
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=167282

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=113010

[brox]

You should be asking why you should juice. Not if we think you shouldn't

Ok you have a lot to learn. You know as much as a 2 year old when it comes to diet.

Do you think your diet is correct?? lets start there because if you do im not going to was any more time.

honestly the only reason i juiced is because im really tired of being so skinny, i dont think my diet its the best, i do what i can, ive tried to follow other diets online and they dont seem to work, a friend of mine recomended that cycle and yeah i guess i was dumb to listen to him, anymore advice u guys have ill welcome it.

[brox]

start here. diet properly for a few months and you will be amazed at the results.
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=167282

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=113010

thanks.

[Phate]

i eat 2 peanut butter sandwiches in the morning, and 10 i drink a glass of muscle milk with a jam and cheese sandwich, at 1:00 i go to lunch usually fast food place, most of the time it involves meat and i stuff my self, when i leave work at 4:00 before working out i drink another muscle milk and after i work out i drink another muscle milk, then at 7:00 i eat dinner usually chicken or fish with rice beans potatoes and what not, and before going to bed i usually have snack.

if you guys think i shouldnt be juicing let me know why, im looking for advice sorry i cant be more informative.

first off your diet is HORRIBLE, you really need to research diet(i'll provide you some links at the end of this post)

diet is 80-90% of your gains, trust me, i'm still natural, about your height, and about 60-70lbs heavier than you

next, your "cycle" was not only bad, but dangerous, if i read it right you only injected sust once a week and eq once a week, not good bro, sust needs to be injected every day or every other day at most to keep stable blood levels(i'll explain in more detail if you like later)

pct is essential after cycle, it stands for Post Cycle Therapy and is what we use to bring our natural testosterone production back after a cycle, btw, injecting AS normally completely suppresses your natural production

here are some threads to research, read then ask questions and we'll be happy to help you to start your journey(and bodybuilding is definitely a journey) safely

read on diet first and propose a diet, then we'll critique it for you, THIS IS PARAMOUNT AND MUST BE DONE FIRST


Under 170? Over 5'10"?
contributed by War4BTT
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=344896

If You Are Under 24 Then Read This
contributed by War4BTT
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=15197

Read the Rules
contributed by War4BTT
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=145582

Stop the Bullshit!
contributed by War4BTT
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=361558

How to Write a Post That Gets Your Questions Answered!
contributed by War4BTT
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=21148

Steroid Profiles
contributed by War4BTT
http://www.steroid.com/drugprof.php

How to Dose your Drugs
contributed by War4BTT
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?p=4150809

Things to Conside BEFORE AAS
contributed by Marcus300
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...=1#post4316957

High bf% and Cycling
contributed by jimmyinkedup
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=366340

Anabolic Links

Test Beginner Cycle Guide
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=355742

Avavar FAQ
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=94756


Sust and Why you SHOULDN’T USE IT
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=524

Oral vs. Injectable
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...highlight=oral

Burst Cycling Explained
contributed by Marcus300
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=345944

Diet/Cardio

How to Keep from Losing Muscle During Empty Stomach Cardio
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=355743

Diet Help
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=355744

Nutritional Links
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=346738

Adipose Tissue and how to get rid of it
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=14586

Why rice isn't a good carb
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...ght=brown+rice

Carb Cycling
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...t=carb+cycling


PCT

Pheendo's PCT
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=94626

Anthony Roberts PCT
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=209758

All You Need To Know About Gyno
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=236880

Serm/AI Definitions
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=94545

Clomid Q&A
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=646

HCG FAQ
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...ighlight=nolva

Gyno Reversal
contributed by War4BTT
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=236880

The most efficient way to use HCG
contributed by War4BTT
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=362353

HCG crash course
contributed by War4BTT
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?p=4127466

Drummerboys PCT and Cycle Recomendations: Estrogen, Progesterone and Cortisol control
contributed by War4BTT
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=198848

Arimidex is NOT effective on gyno, Get letro
read post #6 by magic 32
contributed by War4BTT
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=355614

Think Adex is good for PCT?
contributed by War4BTT
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=361771

All About Caber
contributed by War4BTT
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=356499




HGH, Insulin, and IGF-1

Guide to Reconstituting HGH
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=334745

The Book on Insulin
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=74457

The Facts on HGH
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=63827

HGH FAQ
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=31350

Putting HGH, Slin, and IGF-1 together
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=265096

The Skinny on Insulin
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=4985

Info on IGF-1
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=15971

Understand Insulin
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=266178





Sympathomimetics Links

Clenbuterol FAQ
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...light=clen+FAQ

Albuterol
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...nthony+roberts

Cytomel (T3)
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=199815

Clen/T3
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...t=clen+cytomel

All you need to know about DNP
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=1182

T4,T3 Explained
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=334746

Ketotifen
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=538

Clen FAQ
contributed by War4BTT
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=269240


DNP FAQ
contributed by War4BTT
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=1182

Injection Info
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=1272

Understand Esters, Half-Life, and Active Life
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=309685

All about Antibiotics
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=153043

If You Are Under 24 Then Read This
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=15197

Injection Frequency
contributed by War4BTT
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=355493

Ester Weight and Active Lives
contributed by War4BTT
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?p=4131783

Stallion_1's AAR thread
contributed by War4BTT
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=356265

[Phate]

Edited till I learn how to properly advise

bro, YOU ARE A BEGINNER, don't give someone harmful advice like this

[Matt]

Remember brox these guys arnt out to flame you, they are concerned with your health, you must understand this. Please read as much as possible and KEEP away from steroids.

best of luck

[redz]

Dont mind the haters here bro. For a beginner i would say

Who are you, he just cycled and wants to cycle again without doing any pct or time off. Stop giving bad advice, you are very miss-informed and shouldnt be giving advice.

[brox]

what should i take as a post cycle to seal the deal and start fresh with a diet, damn u guys scare me lol.

[Big]

Who are you, he just cycled and wants to cycle again without doing any pct or time off. Stop giving bad advice, you are very miss-informed and shouldnt be giving advice.

I just warned him, don't be surprised if he's banned by the end of the day.

[redz]

PCT for that cycle:

Nolva/Clomid should suffice I like to use aromasin as well. Run them for 4 weeks.

[G-1000]

honestly the only reason i juiced is because im really tired of being so skinny, i dont think my diet its the best, i do what i can, ive tried to follow other diets online and they dont seem to work, a friend of mine recomended that cycle and yeah i guess i was dumb to listen to him, anymore advice u guys have ill welcome it.

OK so i can see your just lost and need direction.

Big has posted a few thread for you. You need to spend time in the diet form. Read what you can first. The when you have questions post them up and ask. You will find people will be much more willing to help if they see your trying to help your self.

[brox]

thanks again for the info guys

[G-1000]

This is what a real diet looks like.

Do not try and follow this diet for it is not correct for your. It is simply and sample for you to see how involved they are.

TRAINING DAYS

Wait 1.5 hours to eat after your PWO shake
Try and space all other meals 3 hrs apart

MEAL 1
10 egg whites
80 grams oat meal ( dry weight)
6 fish oil gel caps

MEAL 2

6 oz of either chicken, turkey, beef, fish
7 oz sweet potato
6 fish oil gel caps

MEAL 3

6 oz of either chicken, beef, turkey, fish
150 grams of either cooked lentils or barley
6 fish ol gel caps

Meal 4

Repeat # 2

Meal 5

Repeat # 3

Meal 6
6 oz fish with salad ( oil & vinegar dressing)

[brox]

This is what a real diet looks like.

Do not try and follow this diet for it is not correct for your. It is simply and sample for you to see how involved they are.

TRAINING DAYS

Wait 1.5 hours to eat after your PWO shake
Try and space all other meals 3 hrs apart

MEAL 1
10 egg whites
80 grams oat meal ( dry weight)
6 fish oil gel caps

MEAL 2

6 oz of either chicken, turkey, beef, fish
7 oz sweet potato
6 fish oil gel caps

MEAL 3

6 oz of either chicken, beef, turkey, fish
150 grams of either cooked lentils or barley
6 fish ol gel caps

Meal 4

Repeat # 2

Meal 5

Repeat # 3

Meal 6
6 oz fish with salad ( oil & vinegar dressing)

thanks.

[G-1000]

You will find that 80% of your efforts will be spent at home not in the gym. It takes time to eat correct and make all your meals. This is a life style not a game to us. We take this shit very serous. Eat train sleep.

[Phate]

OK so i can see your just lost and need direction.

Big has posted a few thread for you. You need to spend time in the diet form. Read what you can first. The when you have questions post them up and ask. You will find people will be much more willing to help if they see your trying to help your self.

i think that's my cue, lol

read up and post a detailed diet and we'll be more than happy to help you tweek it

[Matt]

Ljanowar your a sad man, what makes you this way? If he followed your advice he wouldnt live long.

[redz]

Where is the reason to this???? I gave him a cycle and a Diet he should look at. Now if you "wanna be" gurus cant handle this then go urself tnx.

Well nice knowing ya.

[redz]

3-5k is a pretty vague cal sugestion.

[Phate]

Your all right and im totally wrong and noob about all.

glad you finally recognized that