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    My next cycle right away.

    hello guys, im 24 i just completed my first cycle, i started at 130 and now im at 140, i gained 10 pounds and now im benching 50 pounds on each side of the bar i started at 25, i was taking 2CCs of sustanon on mondays and 1CC of bouldamon on fridays, my question is, i feel really good, should i take a 3 month break, or jump into deca on mondays and 300Mil of test on fridays, the only side effect ive felt is numb hands at night time while sleeping and ive gotten big.

    thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brox View Post
    hello guys, im 24 i just completed my first cycle, i started at 130 and now im at 140, i gained 10 pounds and now im benching 50 pounds on each side of the bar i started at 25, i was taking 2CCs of sustanon on mondays and 1CC of bouldamon on fridays, my question is, i feel really good, should i take a 3 month break, or jump into deca on mondays and 300Mil of test on fridays, the only side effect ive felt is numb hands at night time while sleeping and ive gotten big.

    thanks.


    Welcome.
    I lost count of how many reasons you shouldn't be using steroids in just your first post.
    lets start here:

    height?
    present weight?
    body fat%?
    years training?
    what was your pct?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big View Post
    I lost count of how many reasons you shouldn't be using steroids in just your first post.
    i agree

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    height: 5.6
    present weight 139 punds
    body fat%? no idea bro
    years training ive been working out hardcore for about 4 months
    what was your pct? i dont know what that is

    : / i started doing steroids because ive tried all kind of weight gain diets and they dont work with me, this is the first time ive seen change.

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    please list your daily diet in detail, what you eat, total calories, total protein per day, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brox View Post
    height: 5.6
    present weight 139 punds
    body fat%? no idea bro
    years training ive been working out hardcore for about 4 months
    what was your pct? i dont know what that is

    : / i started doing steroids because ive tried all kind of weight gain diets and they dont work with me, this is the first time ive seen change.
    You really need to forget steroids . Spend some time reading the vast amount of information on this board. What you are doing is dangerous. Your health is at serious risk.

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    OK wow lest see if we can get you in the right direction with out you getting flamed off the form.

    Why did you chose to use aas??

    What do you know about diet?? Do you feel you have a good one. Please post it.

    Did you do any research on aas before useing?? Were did you get the info??? Never take advise from that source again.

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    I really hope this is someone just having a joke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big View Post
    please list your daily diet in detail, what you eat, total calories, total protein per day, etc.
    i eat 2 peanut butter sandwiches in the morning, and 10 i drink a glass of muscle milk with a jam and cheese sandwich, at 1:00 i go to lunch usually fast food place, most of the time it involves meat and i stuff my self, when i leave work at 4:00 before working out i drink another muscle milk and after i work out i drink another muscle milk, then at 7:00 i eat dinner usually chicken or fish with rice beans potatoes and what not, and before going to bed i usually have snack.

    if you guys think i shouldnt be juicing let me know why, im looking for advice sorry i cant be more informative.

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    brox you aren't the first and I am sure you won;t be the last, but you have your focus in the wrong place. The way you eat is the most important part of this thing hands down. THE MOST IMPORTANT. more so than your work out routine and your steroid choices. Spend some time reading the diet section first, then progress to the work out forum, then study what compounds will work for you, and once you have gotten on the road to eating well, and working out right, then you will most likely see that you are progressing better than the results you have seen for the first, uh, 'cycle' you have done. Good luck, and stay away from AAS by any means necessary, until you have the rest of your game in place.

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    reason 1- You are tiny and need to gain naturally before juicing
    reason 2- You were incorrectly injecting the steroids in your last cycle
    reason 3- you are propsing a cycle right after a cycle
    reason 4- you likely did no pct
    reason 5- your diet is aweful
    reason 6- you are still brutally small and weak after your first cycle

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    Quote Originally Posted by brox View Post
    i eat 2 peanut butter sandwiches in the morning, and 10 i drink a glass of muscle milk with a jam and cheese sandwich, at 1:00 i go to lunch usually fast food place, most of the time it involves meat and i stuff my self, when i leave work at 4:00 before working out i drink another muscle milk and after i work out i drink another muscle milk, then at 7:00 i eat dinner usually chicken or fish with rice beans potatoes and what not, and before going to bed i usually have snack.

    if you guys think i shouldnt be juicing let me know why, im looking for advice sorry i cant be more informative.
    You should be asking why you should juice. Not if we think you shouldn't

    Ok you have a lot to learn. You know as much as a 2 year old when it comes to diet.

    Do you think your diet is correct?? lets start there because if you do im not going to was any more time.

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    start here. diet properly for a few months and you will be amazed at the results.
    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=167282

    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=113010

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    Quote Originally Posted by G-1000 View Post
    You should be asking why you should juice. Not if we think you shouldn't

    Ok you have a lot to learn. You know as much as a 2 year old when it comes to diet.

    Do you think your diet is correct?? lets start there because if you do im not going to was any more time.
    honestly the only reason i juiced is because im really tired of being so skinny, i dont think my diet its the best, i do what i can, ive tried to follow other diets online and they dont seem to work, a friend of mine recomended that cycle and yeah i guess i was dumb to listen to him, anymore advice u guys have ill welcome it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big View Post
    start here. diet properly for a few months and you will be amazed at the results.
    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=167282

    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=113010
    thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brox View Post
    i eat 2 peanut butter sandwiches in the morning, and 10 i drink a glass of muscle milk with a jam and cheese sandwich, at 1:00 i go to lunch usually fast food place, most of the time it involves meat and i stuff my self, when i leave work at 4:00 before working out i drink another muscle milk and after i work out i drink another muscle milk, then at 7:00 i eat dinner usually chicken or fish with rice beans potatoes and what not, and before going to bed i usually have snack.

    if you guys think i shouldnt be juicing let me know why, im looking for advice sorry i cant be more informative.
    first off your diet is HORRIBLE, you really need to research diet(i'll provide you some links at the end of this post)

    diet is 80-90% of your gains, trust me, i'm still natural, about your height, and about 60-70lbs heavier than you

    next, your "cycle" was not only bad, but dangerous, if i read it right you only injected sust once a week and eq once a week, not good bro, sust needs to be injected every day or every other day at most to keep stable blood levels(i'll explain in more detail if you like later)

    pct is essential after cycle, it stands for Post Cycle Therapy and is what we use to bring our natural testosterone production back after a cycle, btw, injecting AS normally completely suppresses your natural production

    here are some threads to research, read then ask questions and we'll be happy to help you to start your journey(and bodybuilding is definitely a journey) safely

    read on diet first and propose a diet, then we'll critique it for you, THIS IS PARAMOUNT AND MUST BE DONE FIRST


    Under 170? Over 5'10"?
    contributed by War4BTT
    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=344896

    If You Are Under 24 Then Read This
    contributed by War4BTT
    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=15197

    Read the Rules
    contributed by War4BTT
    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=145582

    Stop the Bullshit!
    contributed by War4BTT
    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=361558

    How to Write a Post That Gets Your Questions Answered!
    contributed by War4BTT
    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=21148

    Steroid Profiles
    contributed by War4BTT
    http://www.steroid.com/drugprof.php

    How to Dose your Drugs
    contributed by War4BTT
    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?p=4150809

    Things to Conside BEFORE AAS
    contributed by Marcus300
    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...=1#post4316957

    High bf% and Cycling
    contributed by jimmyinkedup
    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=366340

    Anabolic Links

    Test Beginner Cycle Guide
    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=355742

    Avavar FAQ
    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=94756


    Sust and Why you SHOULDN’T USE IT
    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=524

    Oral vs. Injectable
    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...highlight=oral

    Burst Cycling Explained
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    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=345944

    Diet/Cardio

    How to Keep from Losing Muscle During Empty Stomach Cardio
    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=355743

    Diet Help
    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=355744

    Nutritional Links
    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=346738

    Adipose Tissue and how to get rid of it
    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=14586

    Why rice isn't a good carb
    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...ght=brown+rice

    Carb Cycling
    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...t=carb+cycling


    PCT

    Pheendo's PCT
    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=94626

    Anthony Roberts PCT
    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=209758

    All You Need To Know About Gyno
    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=236880

    Serm/AI Definitions
    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=94545

    Clomid Q&A
    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=646

    HCG FAQ
    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...ighlight=nolva

    Gyno Reversal
    contributed by War4BTT
    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=236880

    The most efficient way to use HCG
    contributed by War4BTT
    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=362353

    HCG crash course
    contributed by War4BTT
    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?p=4127466

    Drummerboys PCT and Cycle Recomendations: Estrogen, Progesterone and Cortisol control
    contributed by War4BTT
    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=198848

    Arimidex is NOT effective on gyno, Get letro
    read post #6 by magic 32
    contributed by War4BTT
    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=355614

    Think Adex is good for PCT?
    contributed by War4BTT
    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=361771

    All About Caber
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    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=356499




    HGH, Insulin , and IGF-1

    Guide to Reconstituting HGH
    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=334745

    The Book on Insulin
    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=74457

    The Facts on HGH
    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=63827

    HGH FAQ
    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=31350

    Putting HGH, Slin, and IGF-1 together
    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=265096

    The Skinny on Insulin
    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=4985

    Info on IGF-1
    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=15971

    Understand Insulin
    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=266178





    Sympathomimetics Links

    Clenbuterol FAQ
    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...light=clen+FAQ

    Albuterol
    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...nthony+roberts

    Cytomel (T3)
    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=199815

    Clen /T3
    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...t=clen+cytomel

    All you need to know about DNP
    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=1182

    T4,T3 Explained
    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=334746

    Ketotifen
    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=538

    Clen FAQ
    contributed by War4BTT
    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=269240


    DNP FAQ
    contributed by War4BTT
    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=1182

    Injection Info
    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=1272

    Understand Esters, Half-Life, and Active Life
    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=309685

    All about Antibiotics
    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=153043

    If You Are Under 24 Then Read This
    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=15197

    Injection Frequency
    contributed by War4BTT
    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=355493

    Ester Weight and Active Lives
    contributed by War4BTT
    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?p=4131783

    Stallion_1's AAR thread
    contributed by War4BTT
    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=356265

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ljanowar View Post
    Edited till I learn how to properly advise
    bro, YOU ARE A BEGINNER, don't give someone harmful advice like this

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    Remember brox these guys arnt out to flame you, they are concerned with your health, you must understand this. Please read as much as possible and KEEP away from steroids .

    best of luck

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    Dont mind the haters here bro. For a beginner i would say
    Who are you, he just cycled and wants to cycle again without doing any pct or time off. Stop giving bad advice, you are very miss-informed and shouldnt be giving advice.

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    what should i take as a post cycle to seal the deal and start fresh with a diet, damn u guys scare me lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by redz View Post
    Who are you, he just cycled and wants to cycle again without doing any pct or time off. Stop giving bad advice, you are very miss-informed and shouldnt be giving advice.
    I just warned him, don't be surprised if he's banned by the end of the day.

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    PCT for that cycle:

    Nolva/Clomid should suffice I like to use aromasin as well. Run them for 4 weeks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brox View Post
    honestly the only reason i juiced is because im really tired of being so skinny, i dont think my diet its the best, i do what i can, ive tried to follow other diets online and they dont seem to work, a friend of mine recomended that cycle and yeah i guess i was dumb to listen to him, anymore advice u guys have ill welcome it.
    OK so i can see your just lost and need direction.

    Big has posted a few thread for you. You need to spend time in the diet form. Read what you can first. The when you have questions post them up and ask. You will find people will be much more willing to help if they see your trying to help your self.

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    thanks again for the info guys

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    This is what a real diet looks like.

    Do not try and follow this diet for it is not correct for your. It is simply and sample for you to see how involved they are.

    TRAINING DAYS

    Wait 1.5 hours to eat after your PWO shake
    Try and space all other meals 3 hrs apart

    MEAL 1
    10 egg whites
    80 grams oat meal ( dry weight)
    6 fish oil gel caps

    MEAL 2

    6 oz of either chicken, turkey, beef, fish
    7 oz sweet potato
    6 fish oil gel caps

    MEAL 3

    6 oz of either chicken, beef, turkey, fish
    150 grams of either cooked lentils or barley
    6 fish ol gel caps

    Meal 4

    Repeat # 2

    Meal 5

    Repeat # 3

    Meal 6
    6 oz fish with salad ( oil & vinegar dressing)

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    Quote Originally Posted by G-1000 View Post
    This is what a real diet looks like.

    Do not try and follow this diet for it is not correct for your. It is simply and sample for you to see how involved they are.

    TRAINING DAYS

    Wait 1.5 hours to eat after your PWO shake
    Try and space all other meals 3 hrs apart

    MEAL 1
    10 egg whites
    80 grams oat meal ( dry weight)
    6 fish oil gel caps

    MEAL 2

    6 oz of either chicken, turkey, beef, fish
    7 oz sweet potato
    6 fish oil gel caps

    MEAL 3

    6 oz of either chicken, beef, turkey, fish
    150 grams of either cooked lentils or barley
    6 fish ol gel caps

    Meal 4

    Repeat # 2

    Meal 5

    Repeat # 3

    Meal 6
    6 oz fish with salad ( oil & vinegar dressing)
    thanks.

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    You will find that 80% of your efforts will be spent at home not in the gym. It takes time to eat correct and make all your meals. This is a life style not a game to us. We take this shit very serous. Eat train sleep.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G-1000 View Post
    OK so i can see your just lost and need direction.

    Big has posted a few thread for you. You need to spend time in the diet form. Read what you can first. The when you have questions post them up and ask. You will find people will be much more willing to help if they see your trying to help your self.
    i think that's my cue, lol

    read up and post a detailed diet and we'll be more than happy to help you tweek it

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    Ljanowar your a sad man, what makes you this way? If he followed your advice he wouldnt live long.

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    Where is the reason to this???? I gave him a cycle and a Diet he should look at. Now if you "wanna be" gurus cant handle this then go urself tnx.
    Well nice knowing ya.

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    3-5k is a pretty vague cal sugestion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ljanowar View Post
    Your all right and im totally wrong and noob about all.
    glad you finally recognized that

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