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    Question cronic headaches

    just started using testosterone propionate and headaches have been intense.
    has this happened to anybody else ?
    does anybody know how to cure it? or if it goes away after time?
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    Welcome.
    I've never experienced that, how is your blood pressure?

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    never had headaches with prop.

    what are your stats and the dose you are taking? as big said, you should check your bp

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    okay yeha i was thinking of going to the doctor to find out
    i only jsut started like last week never
    so havent done years of research
    i do 1.5ml a week
    im from australia are quantities messured differently?
    sorry for lack of knowledge

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    Quote Originally Posted by bolt101 View Post
    okay yeha i was thinking of going to the doctor to find out
    i only jsut started like last week never
    so havent done years of research
    i do 1.5ml a week
    im from australia are quantities messured differently?
    sorry for lack of knowledge
    how often are you shooting per week? what is the concentration of the gear in mg/ml? it sounds like you are taking a very small dose, if you're only doing 1.5 mls a week as the highest prop concentration ive encountered is 200mgs/ml and i was shooting 1ml ed when i was using that prop.

    do you know what pct is or what ancillary drugs to take in case of estrogenic sides?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bolt101 View Post
    okay yeha i was thinking of going to the doctor to find out
    i only jsut started like last week never
    so havent done years of research
    i do 1.5ml a week
    im from australia are quantities messured differently?
    sorry for lack of knowledge
    how often do you inject?
    what is the concentration of your gear in mg/mL?
    how old are you?
    weight?
    height?
    training exp?
    bf%?

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    i'm betting his bf is too high and he is retaining water due to unstable blood serum levels which is raising his blood pressure

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    how often do you inject? i inject once a week
    what is the concentration of your gear in mg/mL? not sure about this but how would i find out
    how old are you? i jsut recently turned 18
    weight? weight around 72
    height? about 6 foot
    training exp? have had around a years experience training, 5 days a week with professionals and perfected routines
    bf%? not sure about body fat i am not over wieght tho

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    Quote Originally Posted by bolt101 View Post
    how often do you inject? i inject once a week
    what is the concentration of your gear in mg/mL? not sure about this but how would i find out
    how old are you? i jsut recently turned 18
    weight? weight around 72
    height? about 6 foot
    training exp? have had around a years experience training, 5 days a week with professionals and perfected routines
    bf%? not sure about body fat i am not over wieght tho
    shit dude. 18 years old? this is bad. you cant be injecting prop once a week, your blood levels are going to be all over the place, not to mention 1.5 mls of prop a week is a tiny dose that will do nothing for your anabolically.

    you are too young to be using steroids , you are compromising your natural hormone levels.

    please, for your health, stop your cycle immediately

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    okay do you really think 18 is too young?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bolt101 View Post
    okay do you really think 18 is too young?
    trust me, you are in over your head. not just because of your age but it is clear you are running a very poor cycle that will do nothing for you.

    you dont know what post cycle therapy is, nor do you have drugs to combat any side effects. this is not a good thing to be doing

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    Quote Originally Posted by bolt101 View Post
    okay do you really think 18 is too young?
    yes, and did you mean 72kg if so you are WAAY under your natural potential


    here is a post by Marcus300

    AGE
    In humans your Endocrine system is not fully functional until an average age of 25yrs, although the main development is up to around 21yrs it still fluctuates a little bit up to its fully functional age. There is a risk of permanently damaging your HPTA if you take AAS to young and you could end up with symptoms of andropause and HRT for life. Symptoms could be Limp dick, low libido, depression, low energy, low endurance, erection problems and many more but.......are these the types of symptoms you want to have in your 20's?. Believe me its hard to cope with these in your 40's yet alone in your prime of your life.

    Around this age your Testosterone levels are the highest they going to be in your life naturally, so use what you have and don't take the risk of damage, I am passionate about this because ive seen it many times with young kids wanting to looking like their heroes and they think the answer is in an injection/tablet.

    Taking AAS to young can also cause problems with development, one other main problem is premature sealing of your epiphyeal bone and the consequences mean that you wont grow as big as your genetics could allow you to, there is a test which can be done to see if your growth plates have sealed yet but the average age is around 21yrs old.



    TRAINING
    You need a few years of hard training under your belt before even considering taking any kind of anabolic support, people who jump on a cycle to soon without having some quality years under their belt usually results in injuries, it takes time to develop your connective tissue, tendons and nervous system to heavy overload training. Slowly getting your own system use to these kinds of extreme's will only help in muscle growth later on when you do decide to start taking AAS.

    Build a solid foundation for muscle tissue to grow and maintaining and development will be far greater than without it. Many younger guys will start cycling before they have reached their genetic potential which is crazy when a good solid diet and training program will be far beneficial and productive to muscle building.

    Workouts should be mainly focused on basic movements with a priority of over loading the muscle each and ever time you train, increasing your strength and ability to lift in proper form will help with building the foundation for future development


    DIET
    A lot of younger bodybuilders don't know how to eat. Researching and understanding how your own body responds will help you get to your natural limit, the right food at the right time and a full understanding of proteins,carbs, and fats will only help you succeed in achieving your natural goals. Keeping a diet diary will also help you understand the importance of macro, nutrients, calories and should help you see in which areas you could be going wrong in adding lean muscle tissue.

    No matter how much anabolic support you have it will be worthless without proper nutrition, food will help build and maintain your valued muscle weather its natural, cycling or in PCT. Adjusting your food intake and consuming muscle building foods coupled with a solid training program will help you achieve your natural limit and foundation before you start AAS use.

    This area is a huge problem with the younger guys and I can't express enough how important diet/food is when first starting out, post and pre training nutrition are very important and understanding how to load and feed the body will help push growth and create a very natural anabolic environment.

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    okay so what to do now/

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    Quote Originally Posted by bolt101 View Post
    okay so what to do now/
    stop your cycle.

    read up on how to eat and construct a solid diet. train until you reach your genetic potential. learn how to use aas properly, learn about pct, and wait until you're in your 20s

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    okay thanks guys
    i no so many kids my age or younger doing it
    didnt no it had such dramatic effects
    legal testosterone pills like t-bomb2
    wouldnt do anything at my age
    would it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bolt101 View Post
    okay thanks guys
    i no so many kids my age or younger doing it
    didnt no it had such dramatic effects
    legal testosterone pills like t-bomb2
    wouldnt do anything at my age
    would it?
    just focus on a solid diet. honestly it sounds so mundane but a proper diet is absolutely the most CRITICAL thing you can do to support new growth.

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    Bolt I really hope you take this advice seriously. Morph and Phate couldnt have said it better. You are in over your head brother. Stick around for a while. learn as much as possible. all the info you could ever need is here. then i suggest trying again in a few years.

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    solid advice guys

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