First Cycle, Need help.

**stuntman314** · 12-13-2008, 11:04 AM

Sorry guys im new here and I try to read up as much as possible but what do you all reccomend for a first cycle?

Gereral Info:
5' 11"
155 lbs
8% BF
BP1RM-245
Squat 1RM-350 (Bad Genetics)

I also need guidance on PCT I want to do this right, I also have Liv 5.4 that I will be taking for clensing. Any reccomendations on how I should take this on the cycle?

Cliffs:
What Should I do before cycle?
What should I do while on cycle?
How should my PCT look?

I just want to run a simple cycle nothing hardcore, but something that will show results with proper training, nutrition and rest.

**redz** · 12-13-2008, 11:06 AM

I recomend you eat more at 5'11 and only 155lbs you have no business cycling.

**Big** · 12-13-2008, 11:07 AM

If you're over 5'10" and under 170lbs read this...

***G-1000*** · 12-13-2008, 11:09 AM

Omg .

**redz** · 12-13-2008, 11:11 AM

Dont mind the haters here bro. For a beginner i would say

No one is a hater we are mearly trying to explain to the guy that he will gain very little from cycling if he cant eat more. Juice does nothing without the right fuel to build muscle.

Both of your sugested pcts are aweful nolva only is a terrible pct.

**Big** · 12-13-2008, 11:11 AM

Originally Posted by Ljanowar

Dont mind the haters here bro. For a beginner i would say

Either:

Testo p 1-9(12) weeks 100 mg EOD
Winstrol 50 mg ED the last 6 weeks of cycle.

PCT 3 days after last shot, 20 mg nolvadex for the next 4-6 weeks.

Or option n2

Testo E/C 400-500 mg EW for 1-10(12)weeks
D-bol 30 mg ED 1-4 weeks

Pct
PCT 14 days after last shot, 20 mg nolvadex for the next 4-6 weeks.

so even though his diet is obviously sub-par, you recommend a cycle, where he may gain a bit, which he will not retain because his diet is obviously sub-par. bad advice, the diet must be corrected first if he is to meet his goals long term. I hope you don't intend to make a habit of giving bad advice or I will simply edit your posts.

**nafelgd** · 12-13-2008, 11:11 AM

Yeah dude, you've got alot of easy gains to be had naturaly at that height and weight I'd say. 6 months consistant progressive training and a diet to suit your goals will see a massive change in you. Get on a good protein whey drink and somethin' like NO-Shotgun.
If your insistant on cycling then the norm is 500mg ed of Test Enth for about 10 weeks with 4 weeks of PCT 2 weeks after your last shot.

**Phate** · 12-13-2008, 11:18 AM

Originally Posted by Ljanowar

Dont mind the haters here bro. For a beginner i would say

Either:

Testo p 1-9(12) weeks 100 mg EOD
Winstrol 50 mg ED the last 6 weeks of cycle.

PCT 3 days after last shot, 20 mg nolvadex for the next 4-6 weeks.

Or option n2

Testo E/C 400-500 mg EW for 1-10(12)weeks
D-bol 30 mg ED 1-4 weeks

Pct
PCT 14 days after last shot, 20 mg nolvadex for the next 4-6 weeks.

Eat like a f*cking animal 3-5 k Calories a day. Increase til u gain weight.

bro, stop giving bad advice

**Phate** · 12-13-2008, 11:20 AM

Originally Posted by stuntman314

Sorry guys im new here and I try to read up as much as possible but what do you all reccomend for a first cycle?

Gereral Info:
5' 11"
155 lbs
8% BF
BP1RM-245
Squat 1RM-350 (Bad Genetics)don't blame genetics, that's just an out

I also need guidance on PCT I want to do this right, I also have Liv 5.4 that I will be taking for clensing. Any reccomendations on how I should take this on the cycle?

Cliffs:
What Should I do before cycle?
What should I do while on cycle?
How should my PCT look?

I just want to run a simple cycle nothing hardcore, but something that will show results with proper training, nutrition and rest.

post your diet in detail and i'll help you critique it

***G-1000*** · 12-13-2008, 11:25 AM

This guy is in the same boat.

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...=1#post4335151

**Matt** · 12-13-2008, 11:26 AM

Can someone stop Ljanowar from posting S..T advice.

**Big** · 12-13-2008, 11:27 AM

Originally Posted by MAD MATT

Can someone stop Ljanowar from posting S..T advice.

I sent him a warning, if it continues he will be banned.

***G-1000*** · 12-13-2008, 11:29 AM

Oh so you think your the BIG guy around here. Just giving warnings

**redz** · 12-13-2008, 11:33 AM

LOL I am giving good advice.If you feel your EGO is being touched then poor you nab. How can your advice be better than mine? are u a doctor? NOTTTTTTTTTTT!!! this is a FORUM U NAB! people's opinion are allowed to be said. If what works for you shouldnt necesarrily work for him. Same as to mine i am posting the thing that worked for me.

Chill bro stick around a while. We are a community and care about each others health and well being we try and give the best advice we can to help our fellow members. No we are not doctors but the advice you are giving is clearly sub-par.

**Big** · 12-13-2008, 11:34 AM

Originally Posted by redz

Chill bro stick around a while. We are a community and care about each others health and well being we try and give the best advice we can to help our fellow members. No we are not doctors but the advice you are giving is clearly sub-par.

his option to stick around a while has expired.

**redz** · 12-13-2008, 11:36 AM

his option to stick around a while has expired.

lol yeah I figured that I just posted nice knowing ya in another thread to him.

**redz** · 12-13-2008, 11:38 AM

Okey you have a point.But no ones advice is better than mine without a doctors degree pinned with it.

Many doctors are wrong in fact many doctors dont have extensive experience or knowledge of anabolic steroids .

**Phate** · 12-13-2008, 11:38 AM

Originally Posted by Ljanowar

LOL I am giving good advice.how so?, your advice is to start another cycle when he just finished one, and don't worry about dietIf you feel your EGO is being touched then poor you nab. How can your advice be better than mine?he has more experience than you, and your advice is harmful where his is beneficial are u a doctor? are you?NOTTTTTTTTTTT!!! this is a FORUM U NAB!what's a NAB, do you mean NOOB? people's opinion are allowed to be saidyour opinion should be based on research/studies/facts ect. which i know yours is not. If what works for you shouldnt necesarrily work for him.nice truism Same as to mine i am posting the thing that worked for me.really? how did that work for you? were you running his diet?

bold

**redz** · 12-13-2008, 11:41 AM

No ones ego is hurt, we are just trying tomake sure people arent picking up terrible info on here and hurting themselves.

**Phate** · 12-13-2008, 11:42 AM

Originally Posted by Ljanowar

Okey whatever bro. Sorry to all for hurting your egos.Your all right and im totally wrong and noob about all.

not going to answer my questions in bold?

**stuntman314** · 12-14-2008, 08:44 AM

Guys I do believe that my diet is actually good, I just dont add alot of weight in my legs and its all in my upper body. Ill post some pics soon, my stats make me sound like a small guy, but im really not.

**Big** · 12-14-2008, 09:36 AM

Originally Posted by stuntman314

Guys I do believe that my diet is actually good, I just dont add alot of weight in my legs and its all in my upper body. Ill post some pics soon, my stats make me sound like a small guy, but im really not.

bro, I appreciate your opinion, but we have been doing this a very long time. you are 5'11" and 155lbs and want to be bigger, your diet is not good, and your stats make you sound small because you are small. open your mind to that and we can help you grow.