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    disorganized cycle?

    25 yrs old, 13%, 6'3'', 210lbs, no cycle experience.

    I plan on running eq for 16 weeks, due to advice not to run shorter than 16 weeks. but when i put it on paper and work it out so esters leave my system in time for pct it looks disorganized or is it just me? ok to run this?

    My cycle:

    week 1-16 (16 weeks total)

    eq 300mg 2x/wk

    week 1-4 (4 weeks total)
    dbol 30mg ed

    week 4-17 (14 weeks total)
    test e 250mg 2x/wk

    week 1-17
    0.25 adex eod or e3d
    hcg 250iu 2x/wk

    week 18-19
    hcg 500iu 2x/wk

    pct:

    week 20-23 (4 weeks total)
    nolva 20mg ed
    aromasin 50/50/25/25 ed
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    why are you not starting your test on first week? thats not a good cycle for a beginner

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    because i wanted to run 16 weeks of eq and if i started eq and test week 1, then i would have to stop the test week 14 and the eq week 16.

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    for starters why would you start the test after the EQ? and why would you run it longer. any reason for this? you have a weak pct. are you gyno prone? if not, only use the AI if you need to. this is just my opinion but i think EQ is worthless. dont waste your money run test @ 500mg/wk with the dbol

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    rule of thumb is go simple. No need to run the eq
    keep the test to 12 wks and i would drop the dbol but you can keep for the kickstart.
    Dont believe you need to run Hcg the whole cycle or even at all if you just do a test only.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andro9 View Post
    for starters why would you start the test after the EQ? and why would you run it longer. any reason for this? you have a weak pct. are you gyno prone? if not, only use the AI if you need to. this is just my opinion but i think EQ is worthless. dont waste your money run test @ 500mg/wk with the dbol
    so the esters leave at the same time for pct.

    is the pct weak because of no clomid?

    i dont know if im gyno prone, never cycled. the ai use is also to keep other estrogen related sides down.

    i know alot of opinions vary on eq, but you never know til you try. also, i like the joint support qualities, so i dont want to drop it from cycle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckt12345 View Post
    rule of thumb is go simple. No need to run the eq
    keep the test to 12 wks and i would drop the dbol but you can keep for the kickstart.
    Dont believe you need to run Hcg the whole cycle or even at all if you just do a test only.
    i was attracted to eq due to the little aromatizing effects and joint support qualities.

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    so you have some form of eq other than undecanoate?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andro9 View Post
    so you have some form of eq other than undecanoate?
    sorry, its undecylnate
    Last edited by mholla; 12-22-2008 at 03:11 PM.

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    You dont need to complicate thing with your first cycle, stick with one compound and go with test only, eq is worthless for muscle building IMHO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marcus300 View Post
    You dont need to complicate thing with your first cycle, stick with one compound and go with test only, eq is worthless for muscle building IMHO.
    i know, i started the eq argument in my last post about the black thing floating in my eq vial. its not worthless for some.

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    K,, then go 14 weeks (by no means a begginer)

    wk
    1-4 dbol 30mg/ed
    1-14 test e 500mg/wk
    1-14 eq 600mg/wk
    12-14 HCG 500iu twice a week (may need tweakin, Not positive on HCG)
    .25 ldex everyday throughout

    PCT
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    16-17 HCG 500iu twice a week
    16-19 nolva 40/40/20/20
    16-19 aromasin 50/50/25/25
    not sure if you need to through in clomid with aromasin ???

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    ^^^ maybe he rides a bike marcus (shaking my head)....*L*
    first cycle = test only 500mgs/week 10-12 weeks imo ....

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckt12345 View Post
    K,, then go 14 weeks (by no means a begginer)

    wk
    1-4 dbol 30mg/ed
    1-14 test e 500mg/wk
    1-14 eq 600mg/wk
    12-14 HCG 500iu twice a week (may need tweakin, Not positive on HCG)
    .25 ldex everyday throughout

    PCT
    wk
    16-17 HCG 500iu twice a week
    16-19 nolva 40/40/20/20
    16-19 aromasin 50/50/25/25
    not sure if you need to through in clomid with aromasin ???
    but the eq has a half life of 3 weeks and test e 2 weeks, ill still have eq in my system if i start pct 2 weeks after.

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    last i read eq has 15 day half life,, E has 14, if not then stop it on week 13

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckt12345 View Post
    last i read eq has 15 day half life,, E has 14, if not then stop it on week 13
    youre right i'm seeing 14-16 day half life. i guess when i did my original research a while ago i read the wrong ester or something.

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    i have enough hcg to run throughout and i don't think a low dose will have a negative effect. don't want to run it into pct though. does this look better?

    wk
    1-4 dbol 30mg/ed
    1-14 test e 250mg 2x/wk
    1-14 eq 300mg 2x/wk
    1-14 HCG 250iu 2x/wk
    *0.25 adex e3d

    PCT
    wk
    15-16 HCG 500iu 2x/wk
    17-20 nolva 40/40/20/20
    17-20 aromasin 50/50/25/25

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    Quote Originally Posted by mholla View Post
    i have enough hcg to run throughout and i don't think a low dose will have a negative effect. don't want to run it into pct though. does this look better?

    wk
    1-4 dbol 30mg/ed
    1-14 test e 250mg 2x/wk
    1-14 eq 300mg 2x/wk
    1-14 HCG 250iu 2x/wk
    *0.25 adex e3d

    PCT
    wk
    15-16 HCG 500iu 2x/wk
    17-20 nolva 40/40/20/20
    17-20 aromasin 50/50/25/25
    why you change pct dates? go back to 16-19 and why not at start of pct?
    if you gonna run adex prb .25 ed or eod

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    hcg /dball/test/eq...id run dex eod for sure not e3d..u have 3 test based roids plus hcg....u may even end up upping to .5 eod/ed..... ..
    and i still say you should listen to the voices of experience and do a test only cycle... i ahve a post somewhere on here listing like 6 or 7 reasons why a test only cycle should be first..i think if u search test only cycle u will find it...wont hurt u to have a read......
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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckt12345 View Post
    why you change pct dates? go back to 16-19 and why not at start of pct?
    if you gonna run adex prb .25 ed or eod
    if i end cycle week 14, then 2 weeks from last injection will fall on week 17, if i inject end of week 14. dont want to run hcg during pct, because hcg mimics LH and during pct you need natural LH to restore to normal levels which can't be done if using hcg.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmyinkedup View Post
    hcg /dball/test/eq...id run dex eod for sure not e3d..u have 3 test based roids plus hcg....u may even end up upping to .5 eod..... pct week 16...
    and i still say you should listen to the voices of experience and do a test only cycle... i ahve a post somewhere on here listing like 6 or 7 reasons why a test only cycle should be first..i think if u search test only cycle u will find it...wont hurt u to have a read......
    i know i read it a while ago and youre right. but if i run dbol 1st before test kicks in then i'll know what compound is effecting me. also, if i run eq which has minimal sides (or so I have read), then i can attribute my gains/sides to test mostly. really, the main reason i have eq is because of the joint health contributions during cycle or is that not as important as its cracked up to be?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mholla View Post
    if i end cycle week 14, then 2 weeks from last injection will fall on week 17, if i inject end of week 14. dont want to run hcg during pct, because hcg mimics LH and during pct you need natural LH to restore to normal levels which can't be done if using hcg.
    guess i got my wks mixed up,, 14 days after last test e shot whatever that wk is. I read thats its good to take 2 weeks prior to end of cycle and first 2 weeks of PCT

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmyinkedup View Post
    hcg /dball/test/eq...id run dex eod for sure not e3d..u have 3 test based roids plus hcg....u may even end up upping to .5 eod/ed..... ..
    and i still say you should listen to the voices of experience and do a test only cycle... i ahve a post somewhere on here listing like 6 or 7 reasons why a test only cycle should be first..i think if u search test only cycle u will find it...wont hurt u to have a read......
    i can always lower the dosage of dbol if i get sides too bad. the ugl i got it from has many reports of possible over dosage over on OLM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckt12345 View Post
    guess i got my wks mixed up,, 14 days after last test e shot whatever that wk is. I read thats its good to take 2 weeks prior to end of cycle and first 2 weeks of PCT
    i read that too, but i read imo more convincing evidence for it to be run up to pct and not during due to the LH problem. i will look for the article and post back when i find it, but gotta head to gym now.

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    sell all your eq and do a 10-12 week test only cycle with no adex.......just my opinion

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    Hmm so you can keep debating till someone tells u what u wanna hear .......or you can listen to good solid advice given by several people...its your choice bro....

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmyinkedup View Post
    Hmm so you can keep debating till someone tells u what u wanna hear .......or you can listen to good solid advice given by several people...its your choice bro....
    am i not allowed to debate? im listening to advice. im not arguing or think i know everything. by debating im learning more info. my question is about eq. is the joint support properties over rated?

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    ill start a new thread for this in pct
    Last edited by mholla; 12-22-2008 at 10:03 PM.

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    IMO you won't need the EQ. Beginner 1st cycles are test and maybe dbol as a kickstart. There are many reasons for this, mainly to see how your body reacts to the test before adding any other compounds, and you have very fresh receptors so you don't need alot of gear on your first cycle. I mean, you're planning on running over a gram of gear/week, when the most recommended first cycle is only half of that. Do what you want, but there's an overwhelming majority here that will say test or test and dbol only.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jfew44 View Post
    IMO you won't need the EQ. Beginner 1st cycles are test and maybe dbol as a kickstart. There are many reasons for this, mainly to see how your body reacts to the test before adding any other compounds, and you have very fresh receptors so you don't need alot of gear on your first cycle. I mean, you're planning on running over a gram of gear/week, when the most recommended first cycle is only half of that. Do what you want, but there's an overwhelming majority here that will say test or test and dbol only.
    understood, good thing for this board or i would be s.o.l. ill err on the side of caution for something this serious...

    wk
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    1-14 test e 250mg 2x/wk
    1-14 HCG 250iu 2x/wk
    *0.25 adex e3d

    PCT
    wk
    15-16 HCG 500iu 2x/wk
    17-20 nolva 40/40/20/20
    17-20 aromasin 50/50/25/25

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    Quote Originally Posted by marcus300 View Post
    You dont need to complicate thing with your first cycle, stick with one compound and go with test only, eq is worthless for muscle building IMHO.
    truth

    first time cycle, test only.

    find out how your body deals with that, before you toss other compounds on..... no need to rush, it's not a race.

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