Longer Or Shorter esters

**GGallin** · 12-24-2008, 03:34 PM

Some may say it makes no difference but so far I have only taken Enanthate which I had to inject 2X a week as you already know. Other than pills I always have done every 3.5 days. I am sorta forced at this time to get a prop etser on several different compunds and am wondering if any of you may prefer EOD injections rather than every 3.5 days. I know generally test prop would hit you considerably quicker than enanthate. Also would that in theory keep your blood levels more level since you inj more consistantly?

**Big** · 12-24-2008, 03:35 PM

short esters should be shot ed, imo.

**marcus300** · 12-24-2008, 03:37 PM

Try them both long and short ester and see which one your prefer for your body. For me i prefer shorter esters, but i even shoot longer ester ED/EOD anyway depending on the mg per week of course, each to their own.

**GGallin** · 12-24-2008, 03:37 PM

Originally Posted by Big

short esters should be shot ed, imo.

Ouch ED inj. My ass hurts just from thinking about it.

**GGallin** · 12-24-2008, 03:39 PM

Originally Posted by marcus300

Try them both long and short ester and see which one your prefer for your body. For me i prefer shorter esters, but i even shoot longer ester ED/EOD anyway depending on the mg per week of course, each to their own.

That was my next question lol. I was gonna ask if you could do a long ester eod without any issues.

**marcus300** · 12-24-2008, 03:44 PM

Originally Posted by GGallin

That was my next question lol. I was gonna ask if you could do a long ester eod without any issues.

Yes, of course you can but I think you could be complicating things alittle bit, just try a shorter ester and log the results, see how you feel and respond. When you get more experience of many compounds and esters, you will be in more tune with your own body and know which you prefer but at your stage I wouldnt worry to much about it, just make sure you inject at right times for the blood levels to be most stable IMHO.

**GGallin** · 12-24-2008, 03:45 PM

My plan was this
TRENBOLONE ENANTHATE 400mg EW EOD inj
Primobolan 100mg EW ,EOD (Yes I know thats a low dose)
Masteron 200 MG EW ,EOD Inj (Also kinda low)
Test Prop 200 Mg Ew ,EOD Inj

My plan is to run lower doses since I am stacking several different compounds

**GGallin** · 12-24-2008, 03:46 PM

Originally Posted by marcus300

just make sure you inject at right times for the blood levels to be most stable IMHO.

What are the right times? You mean just doing it around the same time each day

**marcus300** · 12-24-2008, 03:47 PM

Originally Posted by GGallin

My plan was this
TRENBOLONE ENANTHATE 400mg EW EOD inj
Primobolan 100mg EW ,EOD (Yes I know thats a low dose)
Masteron 200 MG EW ,EOD Inj (Also kinda low)
Test Prop 200 Mg Ew ,EOD Inj

My plan is to run lower doses since I am stacking several different compounds

The primo is useless at that dose,
Masteron is useless at that dose,
Prop is very weak and wont aid much muscle tissue, the least for muscle gains is around 300mgs per wk,

cycle sucks to be honest

**GGallin** · 12-24-2008, 03:50 PM

The main reason for that low of test was just to keep my sex drive up. I usually did 500 EW Test E.

How about if I double the dose of masteron and Primo and just run it weeks 5-10?

**marcus300** · 12-24-2008, 03:54 PM

Originally Posted by GGallin

The main reason for that low of test was just to keep my sex drive up. I usually did 500 EW Test E.

How about if I double the dose of masteron and Primo and just run it weeks 5-10?

Masteron wont build any new muscle tissue, it will harden and give condition to your muscles if your BF is low enough.

Primo is very weak compound and very high doses are needed to see results, even then they are very small but quality ones, many guys dont like primo because they dont respond with it.

What were your gains like from the test e cycle?

**Big** · 12-24-2008, 03:58 PM

unless you've dropped a whole bunch of bf lately, the mast is a waste for you.

**GGallin** · 12-24-2008, 04:05 PM

Why is it a waste if you have higher bf? Cause you wont really see the hardness achieved?

I have ran Test e in about 4 cycles.
I have prob gained 15-20 pounds of lean muscle in the last 3 years

Also I am following a strict diet this coming cycle keeping the protiens high and the calories low. Hopefully I can cut a reasonable portion of my body fat during this time.

**GGallin** · 12-24-2008, 04:09 PM

I was taking the masteron becuse what I read about it AI capabilities.
quoted below

"Masteron may actually be very useful for combating estrogenic/progesteronic side effects yes, you read that right, if you include Masteron in your cycle, you may not need other "ancillary" drugs like Arimidex or Letrozole ). Hence, much like Proviron , Masteron could be used as an anti-side-effect-drug (remember, most ancillary drugs we use to combat estrogenic sides, like nolvadex , letrozole, and arimidex were originally developed to combat breast cancer...and thats exactly what Masteron was developed and used for). "

**Big** · 12-24-2008, 04:16 PM

Originally Posted by GGallin

Why is it a waste if you have higher bf? Cause you wont really see the hardness achieved?

yes, exactly.

**GGallin** · 12-24-2008, 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by Big

yes, exactly.

But do you agree it would be a good idea to stack considering its effect on estrogen being that its still a steroid and I dont have any access to letro or nolva etc?

**T_Own** · 12-24-2008, 04:49 PM

its not gonna do the same things as letro, and you say nolva, but using of the dht's doesn't make up for a pct or anything.

**GGallin** · 12-24-2008, 04:54 PM

I know I have clomid for Pct but for during the cycle to keep the estrogen low without running a typical AI or Serm

**T_Own** · 12-24-2008, 05:09 PM

you can find better ai's.. if you have no where else, why not use ar-r ? it must be cheaper than masteron , and would do a better job probably. if you ran mast at a real dose it might help more on its own.

and only clomid isn't a very good pct

**GGallin** · 12-24-2008, 06:08 PM

Clomid always gets me back to normal

**HORSE~** · 12-24-2008, 10:26 PM

Dude I am not trying to be a dick but your BF is well over 20% Gonna go ahead And Post My Before Pics in this recently posted thread and there is no reason that you should even consider using aas until you learn how to do the following....

Diet/eat properly....
Workout properly....
Do cardio properly....
Use aas properly....

JMHO, Stop abusing aas and learn the basic's of bodybuilding and dieting before you run another cycle and end up fvcking yourself up....

Weather you take my advice or ignore it good luck either way dude but you should not have even ran 1 cycle much less be planing your next 3rd or 4th....

Good luck with whatever you decide and have a merry Christmas....

**GGallin** · 12-25-2008, 10:11 AM

I am not always 275 brother. I was down to about 230 late last year but suffered an umbilical hernia so I had to quit training and get surgery. I bulked up to 275 gained some mass and ended up hitting my biggest raw bench ever of 465 so no regrets. Now January begins the diet, once I achieve my fat loss goals I plan on starting the cycle and hopefully cutting some more bodyfat. I know all the fundimentals its just a matter of applying them.