Test P or E?

[Big GB4]

I have researched both a bit and I am unsure which one to go with. This will be my second cycle. I took D-bol a couple years ago. I am 23 years old, 165 lbs, 5'9", and I have a good diet. I consume roughly 3,000 calories per day. I also have very low BF, roughly 6,7%

I am looking to gain mass and strength, but I also want to be safe. What are the risks and gains associated with both? I also have clomid, any suggestions on an appropriate cycle and should I add anything to it?

[johnnybigguns]

If its your first time injecting I highly recommend test-e way less injections and prop can be very painful. Alot of guys might say to work on eating more and gaining some weight first by diet.

[Big]

I am...165 lbs, 5'9",
I have a good diet
I am looking to gain mass and strength

contradictory statements

[drummerofgod87]

Dbol only cycle? 3,000 calorie diet for a bulk on a steroid cycle, let alone a normal bulk? *Sigh*

For a first cycle, 500mg Test E. Completely safe. Up that diet to at least 4k calories. Also, if you can, get some adex and HCG for on-cycle. HCG will keep the nuts going while adex will keep estro down.

[Big GB4]

Donno if I can get adex and HCG , is that a major issue?

[drummerofgod87]

Donno if I can get adex and HCG, is that a major issue?

I know a lot of guys who would say no, but I'm a big fan of quick recoveries and having adex on hand if I feel like I need it. I wouldn't do a cycle without either, but that's just me. An AE for the PCT is 100% necessary though, and it seems like you already have one. Get them if you can as well as some bacteriostatic water to dilute the HCG . This makes it easier to dose.

[CeeLo]

Test E every 3.5 days. Test P everyday. How many times do you wanna stick yourself. Test P can come with some site injection pain as well.

[oc pitbull]

dude you just need to eat more 5 9 at 165 is nothing man. bump up the calories and protien intake.

[IAMCDN]

Prop really hurts like a bitch. I couldn't even train because the pain was so bad.

[Bossman]

I shoot Prop ED and experience very little discomfort. But not something you want to try until you get a few cycles under your belt. As stated, Test E or C, 500mg per week, split into 2 injections (example;monday/thursday) would suit you well.

You don't need HCG for a test only cycle. Get some Adex before you start the cycle in case you develope gyno syptoms.

How long have you been lifting with a goal of gaining size? To get the most from a cycle, diet and training need to be on point. And, your PCT needs to be properly planned. What did you have in mind for your PCT?

[Big GB4]

See, i don't know if I can get adex. Know any legit websites? Is it even legal to purchase? Secondly, I DO have clomid. What is an appropriate dose to take and how often should it be taken?

[Big]

See, i don't know if I can get adex. Know any legit websites? Is it even legal to purchase?

http://www.ar-r.com/shop/product_inf...products_id=98

[CeeLo]

http://www.ar-r.com/shop/product_inf...products_id=98

Good reference big. I even forget that AR has such a good variety of stuff. I have used the Letro, Clen and T3, but forget about the L-dex, Clomid, and Nolva.

[smokethedays]

IMO you shouldn't touch the needles yet, you are only 165 lbs!!!!!
You can easily add 15-20 in few months of good training and diet.

If you start a cycle with your current knowledge of diet (im sure it is not sufficient) you'll lose your best shot at AAS which is your 1st cycle.
when gaining 2 lbs of muscle/month becomes almost immposible and your sure your diet is correct then go for it. But my friend you are waaaaaay far from there.