SHORT CYCLES good gains-less sides

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As many of you already know I have had decent success with short cycles. I, along with some of my friends and clients, have had good results with cycles as short as 14 days long.

I no longer do cycles longer than 4-6 weeks as I am simply sick of the sides that build up after 4-6 weeks and I no longer feel comfortable walking around with a shitty lipid profile for months on end.


WHAT QUALIFIES AS SHORT

"In my book" any cycle 6 weeks or less is a short cycle. Personally I now think that 4 weekers give the best gains to sides ratio.

You can do 2 weeks "on" 2-4 weeks "off"
You can do 4 weeks on and 4-6 weeks off
Or you can do 6 weeks on with 6-8 weeks off.
4 weeks on and 4 weeks off, year round, gives excellent results and you are only "on" half the year.

WHY DO THEM

#1.
If you are one of those bro's that does longer cycles, of say 10-12 weeks or more, and then wisely takes an equal amount of time off, and you are tired of loosing so much of your gains post cycle due to the length of the time off...the yoyo affect....then why not try doing shorter cycles with their corresponding shorter off times...... obviously you don't gain as much with a short cycle but then again you don't loose as much post cycle either due to the shorter off time.

Now... over say a year of doing 4 on 4-6 off you are gong to get very similar results as that seen from doing longer cycles of say 12 "on" 12-14 off but with less yo-yo affect and less sides. In fact most of my clients that do 4-6 week cycles tell me that they are actually getting better gains over a years use.

#2.
Do them to have less of a negative impact on ones lipid profile and to have less total time per year with a poor lipid profile.

Some of you may not know that androgens, taken at even newbie bodybuilding doses, alter everyones lipid profile. Everyone sees their hdl(good cholesterol) take a huge "nosedive" and most also see their ldl(bad cholesterol) go up to some degree but not to the same degree that hdl decreases. Generally hdl decreases 40-70% in as little as 2 weeks and ldl increases an average of 36% in 4 weeks. In my experience this reduction in hdl puts all bro's hdl WELL below the pathological minimum of 35. My ldl does not elevate above the pathological level of 160 but others see ldl's well above 160.
Lipid levels typically normalize within 3-10 weeks after discontinuation.
( details taken from article in Medscape)

Here are my "numbers" from the last long cycle of test 750mg/week and tren 75mg/day. A powerful stack but not a huge dose of gear. It's been as bad with less powerful gear and lower doses. Blood work done after week 7.

Total cholesterol 181...not bad.
ldl 160...not very good
hdl 11.6! CRAPPY big time
Cholesterol to hdl ratio 15.7 to 1...ABSOLUTELY TERRIBLE! This is when my doc and I had a COW at the same time.
Triglycerides 50...good.

Here is my "baseline" without gear

Chol 152...great
ldl 106...great
hdl 45-48...good
tri 50..good
chol to hdl ratio....3.16 to 1.....good

.As far as I and my endochrinologist are concerned this lipid altering side of gear use is the single worst side of steroid use.
In as little as a week hdl decreases. Personally my brother-in-law and I really see a huge decrease after about 3 weeks "on' cycle. The last time I did a long cycle my total cholesterol to hdl ratio plummeted to 15 to 1!...My doc had a cow and so did I!!

According to current medical thought ones total cholesterol to hdl ratio is the single greatest LIPID indicator for assessing ones chances of developing heart disease. Men with low total cholesterols but with crappy hdl have gone on to develope heart disease WITHOUT ANY OTHER RISK FACTORS such as smoking, or diabetes.

Ideally you want an hdl of at least 40 and a ratio of 3.5 to 1 or better.

My mentor, the late great MIKE MENTZER died of heart disease at age 50 and I know for a fact that ARNOLD had more than valve surgery(I am an operating room nurse as well as a trainer)


#3.
Do them to decrease liver stress.
Generally long cycles with non 17aa roids are not that hard on the liver but sometimes one can get into trouble. The short cycle allows for less total stress on the liver and the frequent "off" times allows the liver to regenerate very well.
Generally a healthy liver can take pretty big "hits" for short periods of time without any problem ...it is long term stress that cause liver damage(as seen with elevated GGT enzyme levels)

#4.
Do them if you want to "tone down" your use of steroids.

#5.
Do them if you do NOT want to use HCG during a cycle to prevent testicular atrophy. HPTA shut down will be complete in as little as a week "on" but testicualr atrophy is minimal due to the short length of this shut down. This then allows for better HPTA recovery post cycle.
It is small testes that makes HPTA recovery slow because GnRH from the hypothalamus and LH from the pituitary normally rebound pretty rapidly.
* There will be some testicular shrinkage in any cycle so if you do 4 "on" 4 "off" for several cycles in a row then it would be a good idea to use hcg at 500iu's every 3rd day while "on" to prevent testicular atrophy...the 4 weeks "off" may not be enough time to allow for complete testicular recovery and over the span of several cycles this may impact your HPTA recovery.

You certainly can use hcg while on any short cycle to prevent any testicular shrinkage if you like but it really isn't necessary.

#6.
Do them if you do not want to see much in the way of water retention and do not want to use an estrogen inhibitor or an ace inhibitor(diuretic)


#7.
Do them if you get high blood pressure and do not wish to use the above mentioned ancillaries.

#8. Do them if you are sick of androgenic sides such as ance, prostate hypertrophy and hair loss(if prone to hair loss) etc etc.
Androgen sides come on for two reason...dose used and especially length of time "on". I do not get acne until after 4 weeks on and then I get hammered.....and I hate it.

#9.
Do them if you are tired of walking around with high estrogen levels for months on end and do not wish to or cannot afford to use an estrogen inhibitor. High estrogen levels are NOT good for the prostate at all!

You certainly can use estrogen inhibitors if you like if you want to keep estrogen levels down and experience very little water retention.


WHY NOT TO DO THEM

Obviously if you compete at a high level then short cycles are probably not the best for you, BUT I think they are the best way to use steroids for the vast majority of bro's.
Top competitors need to be "on" either all the time or most of the time....thats unfortunate but usually necessary in order to get freaky huge which is now needed to win big.


WHAT TO EXPECT

If one is not yet at ones natural maximum level of muscular developement then very good gains can be seen of up to 15 pounds and 10 pounds kept after a 4 weeker...as long as you train correctly as a natural post cycle.

If one is off gear and has dropped to ones natural max then a short cycle can add up to 10 pounds. If you take no more than 6 weeks off after each four weeker you will not loose much...then in each successive cycle you can still gain but the gains will be smaller the further you get from your natural max.

Those that are off cycle and have not yet shrunk down to their natural max can still gain well with successive short cycles but don't expect to win at the national level.

One of the things I like about short cycles is the short time "off" between cycles.......muscular atrophy is minimal during the off time and you are allowing for frequent bodily normalization after minimal time "on". LESS SIDES IN GENERAL, LESS TIME WITH A SHITTY LIPID PROFILE and LESS MUSCLE LOSS POST CYCLE.

NOTE: You cannot get "freaky big" in this way...that takes very big doses and spending most of the year, for years on end, on steroids as well as GH and slin, and that my freinds is simply not a good idea unless you plan to make your living as a bodybuilder.

Getting pretty darn big in small steps is a safer way to use gear IMHO...and it messes less with one head too. Some guys really get depressed during "off" times of 12 or more weeks waiting to start their next cycle.


GEAR CHOICE and RATIONAL

The idea behind short cycles is to "get in" quick, hit the androgen receptors hard, get some gains, and then get the hell out as fast as possible so as to minimize sides. So with this in mind one should only use orals and rapid acting/clearing injectables. The limited time "on' simply doesn't justify the use of the "slower" esterfied injectables like deca etc. Also, these same roids take too long to clear the system and that too goes against the philosophy of short cycles.

The gear choosen should be powerful for best results and doses need to be decent as well in order to get the most from the short time on.
You can use mild gear like anavar but your results will be reduced.

BEST Gear

d-bol
test prop
tren
anadrol

BEST stacks.

Personally I think d-bol/tren cannot be beat. There is only one roid that is better than testosterone, in the short run, IMHO and that is d-bol...too bad it's 17aa.

Test prop/tren
Test prop/tren/winny
Test prop/anadrol
Test prop/d-bol


STACKS AND DOSE EXAMPLES

I like tren and I like d-bol and especially for a shorty. YES NEWBIE you can use these strong androgens and NO tren is not hard on the kidneys(myth).

Some guys think I am nuts for recommending tren for a first cycle and they say it is too harsh.... but most of the same bro's will recommend a long cycle of test/d-bol for a newbie and I can assure you that a long cycle of test/d-bol is going to give you more sides than a shorty with tren and d-bol. Bro's test is just as "harsh" as tren and it causes a good deal of water retention, with resultant increase in BP(bad in some bro's) unless you use an estrogen inhibitor....and shit test/d-bol stacks are WAY "harsher" than tren.

The only issue with tren is the frequent injecting required.....but I know some of you newbies have been researching for a long time and are fine with the idea of frequent injections(they aren't that bad!)


Novice... TREN/D-BOL....

Tren 50mg/day for 4 weeks and d-bol 30mg/day in 4 divided doses per day(one right before bed) for 4 weeks.
Two days after last tren do clomid at 200-300mg on day one in divided doses and then 50-100mg/day for a week and then 50mg a day for 3 more weeks. OR...Nolva at 80mg on day one in divided doses followed by 40mg/day for a week and then 20mg/day for 3 more weeks.
Have nolva or clomid on hand for gyno protection.

More advanced...200 of tren on day one as a front load to get tren levels up pronto and then 75mg/day for 4 weeks. D-bol 50mg/day in 4 divided doses for 4 weeks. SERMS as above

Novice...TEST PROP/TREN

Test prop 75mg/day for 4 weeks and tren 50mg/day for 4 weeks. Serms as above. Nolva on hand.

more advanced.....Test prop 300mg on day one and then 100-200mg/day for 4 weeks. Tren 75mg/day. An estrogen inhibitor might be needed.

MEGA STACK... ADVANCED
Test prop 300mg on day one and then 100mg /day for 4 weeks, d-bol 50mg/day and tren 75mg/day......LOOK THE HELL OUT! Have the nolva on the tip of your tongue he he he ...arimidex at 1-1.5mg/day would be wise even for the short 4 week period.

SINGLE STEROIDS

D-bol really is an unreal roid and as I said it is even better than test in the short run IMHO.
One can get very nice results from d-bol alone at 50mg/day for 4-6 weeks. Don't take it for longer than 6 weeks though as it is a 17aa roid and as such is somewhat hard on the liver.
D-bol for 6 weeks at a time was a favorite cycle length in the old days and produced excellent gains.

Test prop can be run all by itself at 75-200mg/day with great results too.



OKAY.....BUT YOU SAY YOU ONLY HAVE SUST, EQ, CYP etc

Long chain esterfied roids and tests are not the best choice for the shorty, as explained above, but they can work pretty well IF you do pretty large front loads. FRONT LOADS simply help to get blood hormone levels up more quickly.

ie: Intermediate user doing test cyp ...do a FRONT LOAD of at least 800mg on day one...then 2 days latter do 400mg and then every 4h day do another 400.
400 every 4th day is equal to 700mg per week.

Run the cyp for 4-6 weeks and you'll get some decent gains from it.

* Best to use tren with this cycle....or d-bol (1 mg of arimidex/day if using d-bol and test)

* After the last shot of cyp you are going to have to wait for a couple weeks for androgen levels to drop before you start PCT and this is akin to lengthening the cycle.



BLOOD LIPIDS

You might want to consider taking the worlds best hdl improver while "on" cycle...NIACIN!
Nothing even comes close to niacins hdl incresing powers. Personally it has not helped my hdl while "on' nor has it helped my brother-in-laws, but you might see some level of improvement(don't expect a great improvement though since androgens do such a great job of messing with hepatic lipaze)

Nicain comes in three forms...regular, extended release(Niaspan) and non flush niacin. Niaspan is the best and works well at 1500mg/day taken once daily. Regular niacin works well at 600-1000mg three times a day but it gives a nasty ichy flush for a while after taking each pill.
Non flush works fairly well at 2-3 grams a day but not as good as the others IMHO.


Use nicain while "off" for sure as it will rapidly improve your shitty hdl level.
NOTE*** niacin can be hard on the liver so never use it with acutane which is hard on the liver. You really should have liver panels done if you use niacin for more than 6 weeks and be followed by a doctor(Swale would be good) especially if you are on steroids as well.

ENTER POLICOSANOL

DrVeejay11(real doctor) introduced me to another great lipid protector/improver and it too raises hdl BUT BONUS...it lowers ldl too.. and it's not liver toxic at all so you could use this stuff all the time with no worries.
Do a search at www.medscape.com for abstracts on POLICOSANOL.


I recommed that all be followed by a doctor while on steroids or at the very least educate yourself about the sides of steroid use and how to avoid the pitfalls by following yourself with blood work at labs that do not require a docs script(especially liver panels... and psa for us older guys) And guys at a minimum also watch your blood pressure while on gear at your local drug store monitoring station....keep the BP under 140 over 90 if you can especailly if you are "on" for months on end.


Best of gains and health to you all.

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tren/dbol cycle? please...

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This is a terrible advice my friend.

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As many of you already know I have had decent success with short cycles. I, along with some of my friends and clients, have had good results with cycles as short as 14 days long.

I no longer do cycles longer than 4-6 weeks as I am simply sick of the sides that build up after 4-6 weeks and I no longer feel comfortable walking around with a shitty lipid profile for months on end.


WHAT QUALIFIES AS SHORT

"In my book" any cycle 6 weeks or less is a short cycle. Personally I now think that 4 weekers give the best gains to sides ratio.

You can do 2 weeks "on" 2-4 weeks "off"
You can do 4 weeks on and 4-6 weeks off
Or you can do 6 weeks on with 6-8 weeks off.
4 weeks on and 4 weeks off, year round, gives excellent results and you are only "on" half the year.

WHY DO THEM

#1.
If you are one of those bro's that does longer cycles, of say 10-12 weeks or more, and then wisely takes an equal amount of time off, and you are tired of loosing so much of your gains post cycle due to the length of the time off...the yoyo affect....then why not try doing shorter cycles with their corresponding shorter off times...... obviously you don't gain as much with a short cycle but then again you don't loose as much post cycle either due to the shorter off time.

Now... over say a year of doing 4 on 4-6 off you are gong to get very similar results as that seen from doing longer cycles of say 12 "on" 12-14 off but with less yo-yo affect and less sides. In fact most of my clients that do 4-6 week cycles tell me that they are actually getting better gains over a years use.

#2.
Do them to have less of a negative impact on ones lipid profile and to have less total time per year with a poor lipid profile.

Some of you may not know that androgens, taken at even newbie bodybuilding doses, alter everyones lipid profile. Everyone sees their hdl(good cholesterol) take a huge "nosedive" and most also see their ldl(bad cholesterol) go up to some degree but not to the same degree that hdl decreases. Generally hdl decreases 40-70% in as little as 2 weeks and ldl increases an average of 36% in 4 weeks. In my experience this reduction in hdl puts all bro's hdl WELL below the pathological minimum of 35. My ldl does not elevate above the pathological level of 160 but others see ldl's well above 160.
Lipid levels typically normalize within 3-10 weeks after discontinuation.
( details taken from article in Medscape)

Here are my "numbers" from the last long cycle of test 750mg/week and tren 75mg/day. A powerful stack but not a huge dose of gear. It's been as bad with less powerful gear and lower doses. Blood work done after week 7.

Total cholesterol 181...not bad.
ldl 160...not very good
hdl 11.6! CRAPPY big time
Cholesterol to hdl ratio 15.7 to 1...ABSOLUTELY TERRIBLE! This is when my doc and I had a COW at the same time.
Triglycerides 50...good.

Here is my "baseline" without gear

Chol 152...great
ldl 106...great
hdl 45-48...good
tri 50..good
chol to hdl ratio....3.16 to 1.....good

.As far as I and my endochrinologist are concerned this lipid altering side of gear use is the single worst side of steroid use.
In as little as a week hdl decreases. Personally my brother-in-law and I really see a huge decrease after about 3 weeks "on' cycle. The last time I did a long cycle my total cholesterol to hdl ratio plummeted to 15 to 1!...My doc had a cow and so did I!!

According to current medical thought ones total cholesterol to hdl ratio is the single greatest LIPID indicator for assessing ones chances of developing heart disease. Men with low total cholesterols but with crappy hdl have gone on to develope heart disease WITHOUT ANY OTHER RISK FACTORS such as smoking, or diabetes.

Ideally you want an hdl of at least 40 and a ratio of 3.5 to 1 or better.

My mentor, the late great MIKE MENTZER died of heart disease at age 50 and I know for a fact that ARNOLD had more than valve surgery(I am an operating room nurse as well as a trainer)


#3.
Do them to decrease liver stress.
Generally long cycles with non 17aa roids are not that hard on the liver but sometimes one can get into trouble. The short cycle allows for less total stress on the liver and the frequent "off" times allows the liver to regenerate very well.
Generally a healthy liver can take pretty big "hits" for short periods of time without any problem ...it is long term stress that cause liver damage(as seen with elevated GGT enzyme levels)

#4.
Do them if you want to "tone down" your use of steroids.

#5.
Do them if you do NOT want to use HCG during a cycle to prevent testicular atrophy. HPTA shut down will be complete in as little as a week "on" but testicualr atrophy is minimal due to the short length of this shut down. This then allows for better HPTA recovery post cycle.
It is small testes that makes HPTA recovery slow because GnRH from the hypothalamus and LH from the pituitary normally rebound pretty rapidly.
* There will be some testicular shrinkage in any cycle so if you do 4 "on" 4 "off" for several cycles in a row then it would be a good idea to use hcg at 500iu's every 3rd day while "on" to prevent testicular atrophy...the 4 weeks "off" may not be enough time to allow for complete testicular recovery and over the span of several cycles this may impact your HPTA recovery.

You certainly can use hcg while on any short cycle to prevent any testicular shrinkage if you like but it really isn't necessary.

#6.
Do them if you do not want to see much in the way of water retention and do not want to use an estrogen inhibitor or an ace inhibitor(diuretic)


#7.
Do them if you get high blood pressure and do not wish to use the above mentioned ancillaries.

#8. Do them if you are sick of androgenic sides such as ance, prostate hypertrophy and hair loss(if prone to hair loss) etc etc.
Androgen sides come on for two reason...dose used and especially length of time "on". I do not get acne until after 4 weeks on and then I get hammered.....and I hate it.

#9.
Do them if you are tired of walking around with high estrogen levels for months on end and do not wish to or cannot afford to use an estrogen inhibitor. High estrogen levels are NOT good for the prostate at all!

You certainly can use estrogen inhibitors if you like if you want to keep estrogen levels down and experience very little water retention.


WHY NOT TO DO THEM

Obviously if you compete at a high level then short cycles are probably not the best for you, BUT I think they are the best way to use steroids for the vast majority of bro's.
Top competitors need to be "on" either all the time or most of the time....thats unfortunate but usually necessary in order to get freaky huge which is now needed to win big.


WHAT TO EXPECT

If one is not yet at ones natural maximum level of muscular developement then very good gains can be seen of up to 15 pounds and 10 pounds kept after a 4 weeker...as long as you train correctly as a natural post cycle.

If one is off gear and has dropped to ones natural max then a short cycle can add up to 10 pounds. If you take no more than 6 weeks off after each four weeker you will not loose much...then in each successive cycle you can still gain but the gains will be smaller the further you get from your natural max.

Those that are off cycle and have not yet shrunk down to their natural max can still gain well with successive short cycles but don't expect to win at the national level.

One of the things I like about short cycles is the short time "off" between cycles.......muscular atrophy is minimal during the off time and you are allowing for frequent bodily normalization after minimal time "on". LESS SIDES IN GENERAL, LESS TIME WITH A SHITTY LIPID PROFILE and LESS MUSCLE LOSS POST CYCLE.

NOTE: You cannot get "freaky big" in this way...that takes very big doses and spending most of the year, for years on end, on steroids as well as GH and slin, and that my freinds is simply not a good idea unless you plan to make your living as a bodybuilder.

Getting pretty darn big in small steps is a safer way to use gear IMHO...and it messes less with one head too. Some guys really get depressed during "off" times of 12 or more weeks waiting to start their next cycle.


GEAR CHOICE and RATIONAL

The idea behind short cycles is to "get in" quick, hit the androgen receptors hard, get some gains, and then get the hell out as fast as possible so as to minimize sides. So with this in mind one should only use orals and rapid acting/clearing injectables. The limited time "on' simply doesn't justify the use of the "slower" esterfied injectables like deca etc. Also, these same roids take too long to clear the system and that too goes against the philosophy of short cycles.

The gear choosen should be powerful for best results and doses need to be decent as well in order to get the most from the short time on.
You can use mild gear like anavar but your results will be reduced.

BEST Gear

d-bol WTF?? Best gear D-bol!!! and Anadrol!! DAAAmn
test prop
tren
anadrol

BEST stacks.

Personally I think d-bol/tren cannot be beat. There is only one roid that is better than testosterone, in the short run, IMHO and that is d-bol...too bad it's 17aa.

Test prop/tren
Test prop/tren/winny
Test prop/anadrol
Test prop/d-bol


STACKS AND DOSE EXAMPLES

I like tren and I like d-bol and especially for a shorty. YES NEWBIE you can use these strong androgens and NO tren is not hard on the kidneys(myth).

Some guys think I am nuts for recommending tren for a first cycle and they say it is too harsh.... but most of the same bro's will recommend a long cycle of test/d-bol for a newbie and I can assure you that a long cycle of test/d-bol is going to give you more sides than a shorty with tren and d-bol. Bro's test is just as "harsh" as tren and it causes a good deal of water retention, with resultant increase in BP(bad in some bro's) unless you use an estrogen inhibitor....and shit test/d-bol stacks are WAY "harsher" than tren.

The only issue with tren is the frequent injecting required.....but I know some of you newbies have been researching for a long time and are fine with the idea of frequent injections(they aren't that bad!)


Novice... TREN/D-BOL.... This is for Novice?!! Tren and D-bol

Tren 50mg/day for 4 weeks and d-bol 30mg/day in 4 divided doses per day(one right before bed) for 4 weeks.
Two days after last tren do clomid at 200-300mg on day one in divided doses and then 50-100mg/day for a week and then 50mg a day for 3 more weeks. OR...Nolva at 80mg on day one in divided doses followed by 40mg/day for a week and then 20mg/day for 3 more weeks.
Have nolva or clomid on hand for gyno protection.

More advanced...200 of tren on day one as a front load to get tren levels up pronto and then 75mg/day for 4 weeks. D-bol 50mg/day in 4 divided doses for 4 weeks. SERMS as above

Novice...TEST PROP/TREN I don't a single novice who can/want to shoot ED.

Test prop 75mg/day for 4 weeks and tren 50mg/day for 4 weeks. Serms as above. Nolva on hand.

more advanced.....Test prop 300mg on day one and then 100-200mg/day for 4 weeks. Tren 75mg/day. An estrogen inhibitor might be needed.

MEGA STACK... ADVANCED
Test prop 300mg on day one and then 100mg /day for 4 weeks, d-bol 50mg/day and tren 75mg/day......LOOK THE HELL OUT! Have the nolva on the tip of your tongue he he he ...arimidex at 1-1.5mg/day would be wise even for the short 4 week period.

SINGLE STEROIDS

D-bol really is an unreal roid and as I said it is even better than test in the short run IMHO.
One can get very nice results from d-bol alone at 50mg/day for 4-6 weeks. Don't take it for longer than 6 weeks though as it is a 17aa roid and as such is somewhat hard on the liver.
D-bol for 6 weeks at a time was a favorite cycle length in the old days and produced excellent gains.

Test prop can be run all by itself at 75-200mg/day with great results too.



OKAY.....BUT YOU SAY YOU ONLY HAVE SUST, EQ, CYP etc

Long chain esterfied roids and tests are not the best choice for the shorty, as explained above, but they can work pretty well IF you do pretty large front loads. FRONT LOADS simply help to get blood hormone levels up more quickly.

ie: Intermediate user doing test cyp ...do a FRONT LOAD of at least 800mg on day one...then 2 days latter do 400mg and then every 4h day do another 400.
400 every 4th day is equal to 700mg per week.

Run the cyp for 4-6 weeks and you'll get some decent gains from it.

* Best to use tren with this cycle....or d-bol (1 mg of arimidex/day if using d-bol and test)

* After the last shot of cyp you are going to have to wait for a couple weeks for androgen levels to drop before you start PCT and this is akin to lengthening the cycle.



BLOOD LIPIDS

You might want to consider taking the worlds best hdl improver while "on" cycle...NIACIN!
Nothing even comes close to niacins hdl incresing powers. Personally it has not helped my hdl while "on' nor has it helped my brother-in-laws, but you might see some level of improvement(don't expect a great improvement though since androgens do such a great job of messing with hepatic lipaze)

Nicain comes in three forms...regular, extended release(Niaspan) and non flush niacin. Niaspan is the best and works well at 1500mg/day taken once daily. Regular niacin works well at 600-1000mg three times a day but it gives a nasty ichy flush for a while after taking each pill.
Non flush works fairly well at 2-3 grams a day but not as good as the others IMHO.


Use nicain while "off" for sure as it will rapidly improve your shitty hdl level.
NOTE*** niacin can be hard on the liver so never use it with acutane which is hard on the liver. You really should have liver panels done if you use niacin for more than 6 weeks and be followed by a doctor(Swale would be good) especially if you are on steroids as well.

ENTER POLICOSANOL

DrVeejay11(real doctor) introduced me to another great lipid protector/improver and it too raises hdl BUT BONUS...it lowers ldl too.. and it's not liver toxic at all so you could use this stuff all the time with no worries.
Do a search at www.medscape.com for abstracts on POLICOSANOL.


I recommed that all be followed by a doctor while on steroids or at the very least educate yourself about the sides of steroid use and how to avoid the pitfalls by following yourself with blood work at labs that do not require a docs script(especially liver panels... and psa for us older guys) And guys at a minimum also watch your blood pressure while on gear at your local drug store monitoring station....keep the BP under 140 over 90 if you can especailly if you are "on" for months on end.


Best of gains and health to you all.

I found this article ....PLS make some comments!!!

Short cycles are comletely useless IMO.
Becuase ALL ASS changes your body natural production of Test, such change don't happen over night and to stablize take more time.
The same is for the AAS compound you are using, even if its short ester, it takes few weeks to stablize and give you REAL gains. Building mass don't happen in a week or 2 not even 4 my friend. Its a long slow process.

Short cycles actually are bad for you IMO, because you don't give your body a chance to adjust to the changes you are causing by using AAS, by the time the Steroid kicks in, you cut if off and ask your body to go back to normal in such short period.

when the Dr. prescribes AAS for medicating purposes they usually do 8-12 weeks or more, and that is for medicating.

For muscle building, we are ABUSING AAS, so how would 6 weeks be enough??

Where did you find this article?!! its pure BS.

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more comments pls

[hankdiesel]

There will be no breaks. If you do a super heavy 4 week cycle like you described you will need an aggresive pct at least 4 weeks long. Then you're suggesting to go right back on? Watch out newbies! Certain things need to be taken with a grain of salt.

[marcus300]

Short cycle are amazing if the right protocol and AAS are used, gains can be very dramatic and they are alot safer than longer cycles IMHO.

If longer cycles worked, we would all be 500lbs + using for 52 wks of the year, longer the cycle harder the recovery.

I am not saying what you posted I agree with because alot of it I dont, i have my own methods which ive posted many times.

[Big]

Short cycle are amazing if the right protocol and AAS are used, gains can be very dramatic and they are alot safer than longer cycles IMHO.

If longer cycles worked, we would all be 500lbs + using for 52 wks of the year, longer the cycle harder the recovery.

I am not saying what you posted I agree with because alot of it I dont, i have my own methods which ive posted many times.

I was thinking of you when I read that, you have already outlined the benifits of short cycles in an extremely informative thread. (even though you forgot to include the tren/dbol stack)

[lovex]

Short cycle are amazing if the right protocol and AAS are used, gains can be very dramatic and they are alot safer than longer cycles IMHO.

If longer cycles worked, we would all be 500lbs + using for 52 wks of the year, longer the cycle harder the recovery.

I am not saying what you posted I agree with because alot of it I dont, i have my own methods which ive posted many times.

it will be very great full from u ...to post your Short Cycle PLEASE

[Big]

credit marcus:

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=345944

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=224569

[marcus300]

I was thinking of you when I read that, you have already outlined the benifits of short cycles in an extremely informative thread. (even though you forgot to include the tren/dbol stack)

Yeh i kind of missed that one out, only for the brave!!

[lovex]

credit marcus:

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=345944

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=224569

post r good ..is there any short cycle for beginners ...it will great

[smokethedays]

I have a main question here for short cycles: To really do good on ANY cycle short or long is a correct nutrition plan or diet.
Now that we established that, everybody knows that when you are on the AAS your metabolism is stimulated and its faster then usual.
From previous experiences my metbolism stablizes after about 10-14 days of starting the cycle, and incase of short esters such Test P, my metbolism accelarated after 10 days.
By the 10th day Im able to eat enough cals to ensure growth, if it were to take 10 days or even 1 week to stablize your metbolism, how is 3 weeks enough to gain muscle mass??

[smokethedays]

By the way I also spoke to few WELL KNOWN GREAT BB's in my gym that I know PERSONALLY, non-of them supported any 4 week cycle, they laughed at me.

[NewMuscle83]

tren/dbol cycle? please...

Shoot, only thing better than this cycle is a dbol/winni combo..

[LATS60]

By the way I also spoke to few WELL KNOWN GREAT BB's in my gym that I know PERSONALLY, non-of them supported any 4 week cycle, they laughed at me.

Love the caps, ask them (these WELL KNOWN GREATS WHO YOU KNOW PERSONALLY) if they know what SHIC is.

[ShadetreeJones]

I hate to be such a noob but why is a tren/d-bol cycle so frowned upon?

[smokethedays]

Love the caps, ask them (these WELL KNOWN GREATS WHO YOU KNOW PERSONALLY) if they know what SHIC is.

There we go again with the biggest hater on here, Mr. I'm dumber than my keyboard.

[T_Own]

Short cycles are comletely useless IMO.
Becuase ALL ASS changes your body natural production of Test, such change don't happen over night and to stablize take more time.
The same is for the AAS compound you are using, even if its short ester, it takes few weeks to stablize and give you REAL gains. Building mass don't happen in a week or 2 not even 4 my friend. Its a long slow process.

Short cycles actually are bad for you IMO, because you don't give your body a chance to adjust to the changes you are causing by using AAS, by the time the Steroid kicks in, you cut if off and ask your body to go back to normal in such short period.

when the Dr. prescribes AAS for medicating purposes they usually do 8-12 weeks or more, and that is for medicating.

For muscle building, we are ABUSING AAS, so how would 6 weeks be enough??

Where did you find this article?!! its pure BS.

after reading all of marcus' posts, this is very untrue. i completely agree that this guy is off his rocker, and a 14 day cycle is something short of insane. but with the proper diet AND doses (none of these count) i would believe it to be the best way. like the shock and awe approach to body building.

[smokethedays]

after reading all of marcus' posts, this is very untrue. i completely agree that this guy is off his rocker, and a 14 day cycle is something short of insane. but with the proper diet AND doses (none of these count) i would believe it to be the best way. like the shock and awe approach to body building.

It might work for some individuals. Not for me or people that I know.

[T_Own]

i would agree it might not work for everyone, but it sounds like you have to set it up perfectly, or be disappointed, like you said. its something i would like to try in a couple years, so until then all i can do is speculate. but i think we all agree that 500mg/w tren + 50mg ed dbol isn't a miracle short cycle

[LATS60]

There we go again with the biggest hater on here, Mr. I'm dumber than my keyboard.

Hahaha, Mr, i came , i saw, i failed!!!!!

[LATS60]

There we go again with the biggest hater on here, Mr. I'm dumber than my keyboard.

I wouldn't want to PM you, but your PM's were some of the most offensive and illiterate i have ever read, well done.

[smokethedays]

I wouldn't want to PM you, but your PM's were some of the most offensive and illiterate i have ever read, well done.

I got to match you. I didn't say any thing thatcould be offensive to anyone, out of the blue you come out talkin' sh1t and flipping me, why would you act like a dumb kid? I understand youare older than most members here, then act like.

And remember respect is earned, and you don't know how to earn that, simply because you are trash.
So.. you desreve wt u got.

[ShadetreeJones]

I hate to be such a noob but why is a tren/d-bol cycle so frowned upon?

I say again.

[Big]

I say again.

Because test should really be the base of any cycle, especially that one. You would be completely suppressed.

[T_Own]

I got to match you. I didn't say any thing thatcould be offensive to anyone, out of the blue you come out talkin' sh1t and flipping me, why would you act like a dumb kid? I understand youare older than most members here, then act like.

And remember respect is earned, and you don't know how to earn that, simply because you are trash.
So.. you desreve wt u got.

all right all right, cmon now. this is stuff we'd expect from rookies, and i hate to be the one to say it, but please try to keep it to PMs. i'm not gonna name names, but i got into a nice argument with someone over PMs and we agreed to disagree and now we found common ground between us to be cool.

shade, another way to think of it; people don't suggest dbol on its own, and NO ONE should do tren on its own. so combining those two ideas and you can see what we mean

[daem]

I have to disagree with the entire hypothesis of longer cycles causing a greater yo-yo effect on the body than your proposed short cycles. While monitoring lipid profiles is definitely better data than anecdotal "I feel fine" qualifictions throughout, you can't base your experience as the end-all be-all justification for everyone else.

Think about driving a car...Constantly starting/stopping puts a significant amount of wear/tear on other non-engine components like the brakes, tires, etc. Just because you might be driving at lower speeds than on a highway, it isn't any "better" for the car.

When you gradually speed up and merge onto the highway (with light to no traffic) you improve fuel efficiency because everything is more gradual/constant and minimize use of the brakes and other components that the stop/start driving impacts. The car warms up and the components work better together when driven consistently.

This isn't the best example because it is just a metaphor, however, your lipid profile is only ONE of critical components that is impacted by steroid use.

What I'm going to summarize is as follows: There are pros/cons to both short/long cycles, however, BOTH carry cons...This is not something that you even attempted to qualify in your original post.

[T_Own]

^^ your tires wear more the faster you go. unless you stomp the brakes and flat spot the tires, going slow is better for them. and the gas mileage is only because the engine isn't working as much. if you pass people or even go 90+ the mileage is worse than city driving

with the short cycles one of the pros is to use the high doses for such a short time that your body doesn't feel the side effects like it would on a long cycle even at a moderate dose

[marcus300]

Many Pro's use the short cycle approach, infact its well know many link SHIC's with some kind of priming and low dose AAS use. With experience of trying short, long and moderate length cycles you should have some kind of gauge to how your body responds to AAS and cycle length, not everyone responds the same on cycle, some guys grow very fast and gains seem to slow down or stop around the 6 week mark, some prefer to run longer cycles swapping and changing as they go along, so getting an idea how you respond to various compounds vs cycle length vs sides will help you build and design the perfect cycle for your body and growth.

Remember the body fights to keep a state of homeostasis so no matter what, your fighting against yourself which in turn will create sides, we can help with sides with various medications we take but for many, sides are a huge problem if you want to cycle as healthy as possible.

Muscle tissue doesn't grow continuously over long periods of time, weight gain and muscular growth doesn't happen that way. Not in infants, toddlers, teenagers, or even weight trainers. Instead, weight gain seems to come in spurts or surges. It's amazing how you can train hard and eat very well year round yet only seem to make progress in quick little infrequent spurts of growth even with taking all the AAS compounds the body still gets use to what's being taken and builds up tolerance and adapts. If you look back over your cycle history you will notice the growth spurts within the cycles, we don't keep on growing because if we did we would all be 500lbs+.

By priming the body before a short cycle this will create a huge anabolic window for muscle tissue to grow, even the guys who like long cycles will experience amazing gains in a short period of time without the usual sides or heavy recovery what come along side longer cycles. Many Pro's follow this process straight after contest and use this environment they have created by the contest prep.

So, you can produce serious growth with shorter cycles if the right approach is implemented, faster recovery means holding onto more gains, which equals more tissue maintained, so without doubt you can grow more, build more tissue and be safer with shorter cycle's, if you know what your doing!

Shorter cycles can be far more productive than longer cycles, everybody as their own little version of this approach, Dorian use to use 30 day burst cycles linked to primes/contest prep then a cruise, other's use the 6 wk cycle approach, but having an understanding how your body responds and what compounds suit yourself will be of great advantage designing a short cycle. I for one could not train like i do for 12 weeks solid, my body needs a rest from the heavy training sessions i put it through, so shorter cycles suit the HIT type of training because if someone says they can maintain a high level of intense training for 12 weeks solid isn't training correctly or should I say not as intense as he thinks he is.

Its worth trying, even if you don't like short cycles, just try the prime linked to a short cycle and you will be amazed by the results, on the other side if your totally happy with your gains on longer cycles, the recover and sides then carry on with what your doing, after all if your happy in all them departments no need to change anything...

[UncleD]

personaly short cycles do nothing for me even 10 week ones.. i seem to only gain mostly water no matter the drug stack or diet and gains leave quik.. now if i go on 16+ weeks i retian much more lean mass.. for me long works..longer is even better.. so doing what smoke does might work even better

[Fire Man]

Theres way more yoyo effect with short cycles. if you were to do a short cycle 4 weeks and you dont get shut down as hard whats the point of pct. If you always did pct then you will be on pct meds half the year and aas the other half. Its like now am getting shut down then use pct and shutdown again and now pct again up and down. Atleast with longer cycles your body gets a break from all those drugs. Short cycles seem good for some one who never comes off they do 4weeks then cruse for 4 weeks then back on.

[marcus300]

Theres way more yoyo effect with short cycles. if you were to do a short cycle 4 weeks and you dont get shut down as hard whats the point of pct. If you always did pct then you will be on pct meds half the year and aas the other half. Its like now am getting shut down then use pct and shutdown again and now pct again up and down. Atleast with longer cycles your body gets a break from all those drugs. Short cycles seem good for some one who never comes off they do 4weeks then cruse for 4 weeks then back on.

You dont simply go back on after pct for god sake, you prime the body for 6-8wks and create the environment, if you have never tried it you have no idea and by the statement above you dont...you carry on doing what works for you

[lovex]

You dont simply go back on after pct for god sake, you prime the body for 6-8wks and create the environment, if you have never tried it you have no idea and by the statement above you dont...you carry on doing what works for you

marcus300..after reading your replys...iam very much interesed in short cycles....is there any short cycle for beginier(first cycle)...Pls advice ..thanks

[T_Own]

marcus300..after reading your replys...iam very much interesed in short cycles....is there any short cycle for beginier(first cycle)...Pls advice ..thanks

you made this thread, what are you talking about??? like all of a sudden its some kind of revelation to you?

[smokethedays]

you made this thread, what are you talking about??? like all of a sudden its some kind of revelation to you?

[lovex]

you made this thread, what are you talking about??? like all of a sudden its some kind of revelation to you?

dude Pls read ...what I wrote down at the end of my first MSG ....."I found this article ....PLS make some comments!!!"

[T_Own]

thats usually a good thing to put at the TOP. especially when it doesn't sound scientific at all, and its written in the first person

[Fire Man]

You dont simply go back on after pct for god sake, you prime the body for 6-8wks and create the environment, if you have never tried it you have no idea and by the statement above you dont...you carry on doing what works for you

Makes more sense as i did not read your whole post about priming I just kinda skimed through it. As the original post says YOU ARE ONLY ON HALF THE YEAR (which = pct half year, or 1/4pct, and 1/4off, depending how long the pct is. The priming thing is definitely interesting and going to read more over it.

[lovex]

thats usually a good thing to put at the TOP. especially when it doesn't sound scientific at all, and its written in the first person

dude Next time If I found good article I will write on top.....