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    Anavar or winstrol?

    Which do you guys think is better for hardening out gains?

    That is, say if you took either drug at the end of a test cycle right before going into PCT... which drug would harden your gains more and help them be more retainable?

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    Personally I would go for winny, it gives a great hardness and quality. To help to retain and maintain the new found muslce that will be more diet/training rather than drugs what you have used.
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    cool. thanks man

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    Quote Originally Posted by marcus300 View Post
    Personally I would go for winny, it gives a great hardness and quality. To help to retain and maintain the new found muslce that will be more diet/training rather than drugs what you have used.
    Marcus I usually get bad lower back pumps of orals (d-bol, m-drol), is oral winny know for these side effects as well? How about anavar ? Also, I have heard negative things about winny drying out joints, have you had this experience?

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    Quote Originally Posted by M302_Imola View Post
    Marcus I usually get bad lower back pumps of orals (d-bol, m-drol), is oral winny know for these side effects as well? How about anavar? Also, I have heard negative things about winny drying out joints, have you had this experience?
    I use to get dry joints with winny but when i cut the number of wks down i was fine, even at high dose! you should be fine with lower back pumps with winny, ive never had them but with dbol or drol i do..
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    What about taking winny with test e at the beginning of the cycle to kickstart it for many 3 weeks? Bad idea or just personal preference?

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    i say Winny its cheaper

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShadetreeJones View Post
    What about taking winny with test e at the beginning of the cycle to kickstart it for many 3 weeks? Bad idea or just personal preference?
    winstrol doesnt put a lot of mass on you like dbols or anadrols, so its best used at the end of a cycle when you want to replace watery muscle gains with lean, dense tissue... Using it at the beginning probably isnt a great idea, since it would be much more effective towards the end of the cycle

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    Quote Originally Posted by jg42058p View Post
    winstrol doesnt put a lot of mass on you like dbols or anadrols, so its best used at the end of a cycle when you want to replace watery muscle gains with lean, dense tissue... Using it at the beginning probably isnt a great idea, since it would be much more effective towards the end of the cycle
    What if you are cutting? Would it be effective showing your gains a little quicker?

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    Always at the end bro. Winny would make for a crappy kick start and if the diet is on it works magic at the end.

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    How much better is winny over var?if price is not an issue

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    Quote Originally Posted by hankdiesel View Post
    Always at the end bro. Winny would make for a crappy kick start and if the diet is on it works magic at the end.
    What about anavar to kick it off for 2 weeks, primo in weeks 3-12, and winstrol wks 11 and 12? Test e throughout.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShadetreeJones View Post
    What about anavar to kick it off for 2 weeks, primo in weeks 3-12, and winstrol wks 11 and 12? Test e throughout.
    I think anavar is usually used as a hardening steroid , not a bulking one... so its best use is probably at the end of the cycle, like winstrol

    its best to use bulking steroids at the beginning of a cycle and use the hardening ones at the end

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