Anavar or winstrol?

**jg42058p** · 12-31-2008, 09:52 AM

Which do you guys think is better for hardening out gains?

That is, say if you took either drug at the end of a test cycle right before going into PCT... which drug would harden your gains more and help them be more retainable?

**marcus300** · 12-31-2008, 10:13 AM

Personally I would go for winny, it gives a great hardness and quality. To help to retain and maintain the new found muslce that will be more diet/training rather than drugs what you have used.

**jg42058p** · 12-31-2008, 10:30 AM

cool. thanks man

**M302_Imola** · 12-31-2008, 10:52 AM

Originally Posted by marcus300

Personally I would go for winny, it gives a great hardness and quality. To help to retain and maintain the new found muslce that will be more diet/training rather than drugs what you have used.

Marcus I usually get bad lower back pumps of orals (d-bol, m-drol), is oral winny know for these side effects as well? How about anavar ? Also, I have heard negative things about winny drying out joints, have you had this experience?

**marcus300** · 12-31-2008, 10:58 AM

Originally Posted by M302_Imola

Marcus I usually get bad lower back pumps of orals (d-bol, m-drol), is oral winny know for these side effects as well? How about anavar? Also, I have heard negative things about winny drying out joints, have you had this experience?

I use to get dry joints with winny but when i cut the number of wks down i was fine, even at high dose! you should be fine with lower back pumps with winny, ive never had them but with dbol or drol i do..

**ShadetreeJones** · 12-31-2008, 12:19 PM

What about taking winny with test e at the beginning of the cycle to kickstart it for many 3 weeks? Bad idea or just personal preference?

**Deltasaurus** · 12-31-2008, 12:27 PM

i say Winny its cheaper

**jg42058p** · 12-31-2008, 12:37 PM

Originally Posted by ShadetreeJones

What about taking winny with test e at the beginning of the cycle to kickstart it for many 3 weeks? Bad idea or just personal preference?

winstrol doesnt put a lot of mass on you like dbols or anadrols, so its best used at the end of a cycle when you want to replace watery muscle gains with lean, dense tissue... Using it at the beginning probably isnt a great idea, since it would be much more effective towards the end of the cycle

**ShadetreeJones** · 12-31-2008, 12:41 PM

Originally Posted by jg42058p

winstrol doesnt put a lot of mass on you like dbols or anadrols, so its best used at the end of a cycle when you want to replace watery muscle gains with lean, dense tissue... Using it at the beginning probably isnt a great idea, since it would be much more effective towards the end of the cycle

What if you are cutting? Would it be effective showing your gains a little quicker?

**hankdiesel** · 12-31-2008, 12:55 PM

Always at the end bro. Winny would make for a crappy kick start and if the diet is on it works magic at the end.

**mrtosa** · 12-31-2008, 01:09 PM

How much better is winny over var?if price is not an issue

**ShadetreeJones** · 12-31-2008, 01:51 PM

Originally Posted by hankdiesel

Always at the end bro. Winny would make for a crappy kick start and if the diet is on it works magic at the end.

What about anavar to kick it off for 2 weeks, primo in weeks 3-12, and winstrol wks 11 and 12? Test e throughout.

**jg42058p** · 12-31-2008, 02:34 PM

Originally Posted by ShadetreeJones

What about anavar to kick it off for 2 weeks, primo in weeks 3-12, and winstrol wks 11 and 12? Test e throughout.

I think anavar is usually used as a hardening steroid , not a bulking one... so its best use is probably at the end of the cycle, like winstrol

its best to use bulking steroids at the beginning of a cycle and use the hardening ones at the end