Please Critique, Need Advice

**Boedog** · 01-02-2009, 11:09 PM

I am 6' / 200 lb / approx. 14% Bf. been lifting for about 10 years and diet is good. I did my first cycle about a year and a half ago (D-bol & Test) made good gains. I am just now recovering from a back injury and back to lifting normal.

Week 1-13 / 10mg Nolva (Ed)

1-10 / 400mg Equipoise (Weekly)
1-10 / 500mg Test Cyp (Weekly)

Week 13 40mg Nolva and 100 mg Clomid (Ed)

Week 14 30 mg Nolva and 50 mg Clomid (ed)

Week 15 20mg Nolva and 50 mg Clomid (Ed)

Tell me if this looks good, if that much Nolva is not neccessary. Thanks

**drummerofgod87** · 01-02-2009, 11:59 PM

Start the PCT at Week 12, not 13 and extend the PCT for another week at least. You can switch out the nolva with adex (.5mg EOD) if you want, but it's not necessary. Nolva is a SERM while Adex is an AI. This means that, while nolva will stop you from gyno, it will not reduce estrogen within the body like adex will. Nolva can also possibly reduce IGF-1 in the body, which we do not want because IGF-1 is an extremely anabolic hormone. Adex will not only prevent gyno, but stop other estrogenic effects as well like edema, acne and increased depositing of fat.

**jimmyinkedup** · 01-03-2009, 12:11 AM

Originally Posted by Boedog

I am 6' / 200 lb / approx. 14% Bf. been lifting for about 10 years and diet is good. I did my first cycle about a year and a half ago (D-bol & Test) made good gains. I am just now recovering from a back injury and back to lifting normal.

Week 1-13 / 10mg Nolva (Ed)run to start of pct

1-10 / 400mg Equipoise (Weekly)id think about 12 weeks with eq
1-10 / 500mg Test Cyp (Weekly)12 weeks to match above

Week 13 40mg Nolva and 100 mg Clomid (Ed)

Week 14 30 mg Nolva and 50 mg Clomid (ed)

Week 15 20mg Nolva and 50 mg Clomid (Ed) add another week just like this one

Tell me if this looks good, if that much Nolva is not neccessary. Thanks

start pct 2 weeks after last injections ....JMO good luck....
also if u are gonna run eq at 400mg/week thats fine id just frontaload at 600mgs 1st 2 weeks then drop to 400 ...jmo

**peachfuzz** · 01-03-2009, 03:40 AM

Originally Posted by Boedog

I am 6' / 200 lb / approx. 14% Bf. been lifting for about 10 years and diet is good. I did my first cycle about a year and a half ago (D-bol & Test) made good gains. I am just now recovering from a back injury and back to lifting normal. then dont jump into a cycle right away

Week 1-13 / 10mg Nolva (Ed) are you prone to gyno? this cycle shouldnt give you alot of problems, just keep the nolva and some adex on hand.

1-10 / 400mg Equipoise (Weekly) 12 weeks minimum
1-10 / 500mg Test Cyp (Weekly) 13 weeks minimum (you want to run a week longer then the EQ)

Week 13 40mg Nolva and 100 mg Clomid (Ed)

Week 14 30 mg Nolva and 50 mg Clomid (ed)

Week 15 20mg Nolva and 50 mg Clomid (Ed)

Tell me if this looks good, if that much Nolva is not neccessary. Thanks

post cycle should be a week longer and i would run the nolva at 20mg ED and the Clomid at 50mg. no need for that high a dose or to taper IMO. other then that an overall good cycle. with a proper diet you can make some good gains.

**peachfuzz** · 01-03-2009, 03:43 AM

Originally Posted by drummerofgod87

Start the PCT at Week 12, not 13

week 13 is correct. he would be pinning through week 10 and week 11 and 12 he would be waiting for it to clear then starting week 13. but we revised the length so it is different yet again...

**Boedog** · 01-04-2009, 02:06 AM

So wwould i run Adex in place of Nolva ? And should I run it during the cycle or just have it on hand in case of sides. then use it for PCT ?

**jimmyinkedup** · 01-04-2009, 02:16 AM

no need to run test longer than eq...active life of cyp actually 1 day longer than eq...stop them same time and start pct 2 weeks post last injection. Running 2 test based steroids even though eq aromitizes at about 50% as much as test it does armitize...id do adex .25 eod from start (im cautious but i think thats prudent) run adex up to pct then stop it and start clomid nolva pct.
Soooo ID say

1-12 eq 400mg/week
1-12 testc 500mg/week
1-14 adex.25eod
pct end of week 14/begin of week15
week 15 cloimd 100/day nolva40/day
week16-18 clomid50/day nolva 20/day

also id consider frontaloading eq at 600mg first 2 weeks ..i find if running at lower than 600/week the frontaload helps.....so id do 600mgs/week first 2 weeks of eq then drop it to 400mgs/week rest of cycle....

**Boedog** · 01-04-2009, 02:21 AM

Sounds good. Thanks for the advice you guys are awesome.

**jimmyinkedup** · 01-04-2009, 02:22 AM

keep us posted...

**peachfuzz** · 01-04-2009, 02:36 AM

Originally Posted by jimmyinkedup

no need to run test longer than eq...active life of cyp actually 1 day longer than eq...stop them same time and start pct 2 weeks post last injection.

my bad. my mind was on autopilot and it turned his cyp into enanth.

your right no need to run the test longer.

**jimmyinkedup** · 01-04-2009, 02:43 AM

^^^its all good....we all got each other covered....
oh btw enath and eq the same *L* but its still all good....

**peachfuzz** · 01-04-2009, 12:34 PM

Originally Posted by jimmyinkedup

^^^its all good....we all got each other covered....
oh btw enath and eq the same *L* but its still all good....

no way jose.

Enanthate has a 7-carbon ester chain while cypionate has an 8-carbon ester chain. The more carbons the ester group has, the more soluble in oil and the less soluble in water it becomes. As a result, cypionate has a slightly slower release and longer half life. I am also certain that the undecylenate ester is 11 carbons thus giving it an even longer half life. Now the active life is gonna be dependent obviously on the amount of the drug being used but more often then not the EQ is around the same dose as the test if not higher.

**jimmyinkedup** · 01-04-2009, 04:28 PM

eq = 15 day active life
test enan = 15 day active life
test c = 16 day active life
so anyway...
*S*

**peachfuzz** · 01-04-2009, 04:46 PM

i bet you didnt even read my post...

and how can you be sure that is the active life?

is the active life for 1000mg of cyp the same as the active life for 500mg?

a bottle of test says EQ has a longer half life.