Toremifene and Test Levels??

[reddragon4954]

I have heard this stuff, in terms of benefits is like taking nolva and clomid.

Does anyone know how much this stuff actaully raises test levels?

For instance nolva at 20mg raises test levels by around 150%.

[T_Own]

are you confusing novedex xt with nolvadex ?

[reddragon4954]

No, this is a legit serm. Its pretty new

[T_Own]

i know what toremifene is but you said nolva raises test, i say it doesn't to that extreme

[peachfuzz]

it does..

[peachfuzz]

in reply to T Own

[peachfuzz]

Hormonal effects of an antiestrogen, tamoxifen , in normal and oligospermic men.Vermeulen A, Comhaire F.

The administration of tamoxifen, 20 mg/day for 10 days, to normal males produced a moderate increase in luteinizing hormone (LH), follicle-stimulating hormone (FSH), testosterone, and estradiol levels, comparable to the effect of 150 mg of clomiphene citrate (Clomid). However, whereas Clomid produced a decrease in the LH response to LH-releasing hormone (LHRH), no such effect was seen after the administration of tamoxifen. In fact, prolonged treatment (6 weeks) with tamoxifen significantly increased the LH response to LHRL. Treatment of patients with "idiopathic" oligospermia for 6 to 9 months resulted in a significant increase in gonadotropin, testosterone , and estradiol levels. A significant increase in sperm density was observed only in subjects with oligospermia below 20 X 10(6)/ml and normal basal FSH levels. When basal FSH levels were increased or oligospermia was moderate (greater than 20 X 10(6)/ml); no effect on sperm density was seen. As sperm density increased, FSH levels decreased, suggesting an inhibin effect. Sperm motility was not improved by tamoxifen treatment. In five boys with delayed puberty, tamoxifen treatment appeared to activate the pituitary-gonadal axis and pubertal development.

PMID: 640052 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

[T_Own]

raises natural test by 150%?

that just says moderate.. 150% is more than moderate in my mind

[peachfuzz]

ya thats cuz your tiny.

[T_Own]

LOL don't start the tough guy shit, a percent doesn't matter your size big boy

[peachfuzz]

whatever you say smalls....