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    Tren Question

    I saw a post earlier that confused me a bit. So please give me the correct answer

    Is Trenabol Depot (trenbolone hexahydrobenzylcarbonate) from ** a long ester or short ester?

    Do i pin every eod or every 5th?

    Please clear this up

    Thanks

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    I "think" thats the long. Not 100% though

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    I did some research but honestly I have no idea what the sh*t means HELP!!

    Trenbolone Cyclohexylmethylcarbonate (called Parabolan )
    Parabolan contains a much different ester than Finaject and Finajet, called Trenbolone Cyclohexylmethylcarbonate. This ester extends the activity of trenbolone for more than two weeks, a more suitable design for human use.

    The amount of trenbolone in 76 mg of Trenbolone Cyclohexylmethylcarbonate is equivalent to the amount of trenbolone in only 58 mg of Trenbolone Acetate. The acetate is a little more potent, more effective per milligram, because the acetate ester is lighter than the cyclohexylmethylcarbonate ester; therefore a higher percentage of the weight of Trenbolone Acetate is trenbolone. A similar comparison also can be made with the other long lasting esters of trenbolone: enanthate and hexahydrobenzylcarbonate.

    The muscle building properties of Trenbolone Cyclohexylmethylcarbonate are the same as Trenbolone Acetate (Finaject or Finajet) except for the longer half-life.

    Although it is very similar, this compound is NOT the same as Trenbolone Enanthate. The only difference in these compounds is the esters (see ester definitions below), which all act almost identically (long lasting esters).

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    from the reading you just provided i would say its a long ester.

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    ok lemme try to explain here. Look at the compound in 2 parts ..the base compound (steroid ) and the ester. The ester dictates the rate by which the compound will be absorbed into your system....the longer the ester ..the longer(more slowly) the compound is absorbed into system therefore dictating how often you need to inject it. NOW the ester takes up "room" in the compound so for example if you have 100mgs/ml of tren acatate ,a ahort ester, you may get say 80 mgs tren and the rest of the 1ml "space" is taken up by the ester. When u take a longer ester say tren Cyclohexylmethylcarbonate at 100mgs/ml you may get 60mgs tren and the rest of the 1ml "space" is take up by ester. So in essence the longer the ester the less frequently injections are required ..however it results in mg to mg less base compound available to be used by your body. I have oversimplified this in the hopes of explaining so you can get the gist of what this all means Hope that helped.
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    I hope it wasn't my post from this morning that confused you, I thought I was pretty clear:

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    tren hex is seldom available on it's own, hex is usually one of the esters in a blend. in any event, hex is a long ester similar to e.

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    per our discussion on Tren Hex Please add ur comments

    I am looking to put on some quality muscle and retain.
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    5'9 185 age 30
    diet is consistent and measured 320 protein, 150 carbs, 60 g fat.
    5 days per week in gym
    2 cycles prior of Test E (500mg) and Winnie which were moderate

    Should I add Dbol here? Any other suggestions ?

    CYCLE :
    1-14 Test E 300mg x 2 per week
    1-12 Tren HEX 200mg x 2 per week

    Pct
    1-3 Hcg 500iu's Ed
    1-6 Nolva 20 mgs ed
    1-4 Aromasin 25 ed

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozzy View Post
    I "think" thats the long. Not 100% though
    it is the long one..its like the swap juice of tren ..its all in there ace .enan yadda yadda

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    do you choose the tren hex because you already have it? I strongly advocate tren a for the first run with tren.

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    From I really asked for Tren E but rec'd the Hex my source pretty much gave me the wrong thing. Can you advise on why you would recommend one over the other....

    BTW I have read up on the Hex and I do see the Tren cough and sweats being an issue...anything I am missin

    Honestly i hate to change or reorder but tell me what you think here BIG i am here to learn

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big View Post
    do you choose the tren hex because you already have it? I strongly advocate tren a for the first run with tren.
    and using it as a first cycle is a big no no......not second or even 3rd.....test is best for first cycle......but if u do have it ..PUT IT AWAY BRO...SAVE IT FOR LATER

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan121 View Post
    From I really asked for Tren E but rec'd the Hex my source pretty much gave me the wrong thing. Can you advise on why you would recommend one over the other....

    BTW I have read up on the Hex and I do see the Tren cough and sweats being an issue...anything I am missin

    Honestly i hate to change or reorder but tell me what you think here BIG i am here to learn
    THATS THE BRIGHTER SIDE of tren use..lol hair loss sex drive out the window..insomnia,paranoid,night sweats oh god they suck i know.....it can be a real bitch......

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    tren sides are often the worst sides from any gear typically used. some have no problems, some respond so poorly they don't even finish the cycle. tren a will start working and also leave very quickly. if you cycle tren e or hex, once the levels build up if you start having horrible sides and immediately stop, you still get to enjoy those sides for a few more weeks or so as opposed to a few days if it's tren a.

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    Oricle THIS IS NOT MY FIRST CYCLE!!!!

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    So BIG how do I break into the Tren world? Tren A..so it leaves me faster if problems come? I hate pinning ed. So this being said with you not suggesting the tren hex, which I understand why...

    What is the sub I should put in place? Suggestions?

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    tren a and prop is a great combo, still one of my favorites, but I do like to shoot ed. eod would still work though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan121 View Post
    Oricle THIS IS NOT MY FIRST CYCLE!!!!
    damn man no need to snap....lol sorry

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    and as for d-bol i dont see why you cant add that in that also..imo

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    bro here is what I am working with
    Test E
    D Bol
    Tren Hex...

    Line me up something here rather than Prop...LOL

    Deca ? I can get anything usually the right stuff

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    well your running long ester combo...so test enan or cyp is all i can say even the tren enan...rathewr then the Hex..bro

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    test e/dbol /deca is a proven mass builder, great mix

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    BIG so let go the other way: I am more interested in a cutter...
    Again eod pinning is tough for me....that the reason I didn't go tren a....so the winnie is out...any other suggestion

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    cutting or bulking will depend on diet more than anything. don't fall into the pre-conceived notions that certain compounds are only for bulking or cutting, you might be surprised.

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    agreed though you would tend to agree that Deca has been know for water retention...

    I am open to the Deca, is this your final suggestion LOL after f*cking up my whole cycle ( Just kidding) thanks so much already

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    gear that causes water retention is fine for cutting, after the cycle the water leaves and the true results show. I think people confuse the on-cycle bloat for dirty gains, with proper diet the water retention is merely a temporary issue during cycle.

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    BIG since we have spoke I have more questions abou the our previous posts.

    Instead of the deca and I go with EQ?

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    I wouldn't run EQ if it was free, but that's just me.

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    ok - so you're suggesting nothing but the Test Deca Dbol ...

    Anything else or is this the potion?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big View Post
    I wouldn't run EQ if it was free, but that's just me.
    Samesies. Test, Tren , Dbol , Drol, Winstrol , and Mast are the steroids I usually stick with.

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