Request: Add info to noob guides

**kloan** · 01-09-2009, 02:00 AM

I'm a bit peeved. None of the noob guides bothered to mention that you lose a bit of oil each time, and that 10ml doesn't actually = 5 weeks. I had to learn this the hard way, and I'm coming up short. I've had to drop from 1ml to 0.8ml so I can at least get to 10 weeks.. but I wanted to go 12.

Anyway, don't mean to rant.. just a little annoyed. Now I'm trying to figure out what I should do to get to 12 weeks. I'm down south for the winter (So-Cal), so I'm not able to deal with my rep.

Please edit the noob guides to reflect this! It'd be very helpful to people new to the game that it's better to order 3x 10ml bottles, not 2...

**Phate** · 01-09-2009, 02:03 AM

Originally Posted by kloan

I'm a bit peeved. None of the noob guides bothered to mention that you lose a bit of oil each time, and that 10ml doesn't actually = 5 weeks. I had to learn this the hard way, and I'm coming up short. I've had to drop from 1ml to 0.8ml so I can at least get to 10 weeks.. but I wanted to go 12.

Anyway, don't mean to rant.. just a little annoyed. Now I'm trying to figure out what I should do to get to 12 weeks. I'm down south for the winter (So-Cal), so I'm not able to deal with my rep.

Please edit the noob guides to reflect this! It'd be very helpful to people new to the game that it's better to order 3x 10ml bottles, not 2...

next time get some injectable b12 and pull some of that into the syringe as well, it will look like a lava lamp, but then you can make sure you're injecting all the gear and you'll be wasting the b12 instead

**kloan** · 01-09-2009, 02:07 AM

that's a good tip.. do you pull that first?

i actually tried to get some b12 down here, only to be told you need a prescription?! in toronto, i had no problem getting some. right off the shelf, was like $6.

it's partially my fault too.. it was my retarded math that made me think i only needed two for 12 weeks. it's been quite the learning experience.

**T_Own** · 01-09-2009, 02:13 AM

you shouldn't need a prescription, some pharmacies don't like to give it out, but you can get it online pretty easily. you should only lose .1ml each time, so if you pull 1ml each shot, you wouldn't lose any from the vial, you would just be a little under the 250 each shot (i'm guessing 250mg/ml) but something that small won't make a big difference.

**drummerofgod87** · 01-09-2009, 02:17 AM

You can always suck in a small amount of air before you inject and go about it that way. Doing that will have that little bit of air stuck between the plunger and the needle instead of the gear. Just make sure that you follow the laws of gravity and situate yourself so that the needle is going at enough of a downward angle, if not straight down so that the air is at the top of the syringe so it is the last thing in the syringe once you're done injecting.

Question: Will injectable B-12 float to the back of the syringe if I turn it plunger-side up?

**Kale** · 01-09-2009, 02:19 AM

Originally Posted by drummerofgod87

You can always suck in a small amount of air before you inject and go about it that way. Doing that will have that little bit of air stuck between the plunger and the needle instead of the gear. Just make sure that you follow the laws of gravity and situate yourself so that the needle is going at enough of a downward angle, if not straight down so that the air is at the top of the syringe so it is the last thing in the syringe once you're done injecting.

Thats exactly what you should do ! You also wont be able to extract every drop from the vial either so you always lose a bit

**kloan** · 01-09-2009, 02:20 AM

huh, maybe the bottles are underfilled. if im drawing 1ml each time, and losing .1ml.. seems like they were only 9ml instead of 10. since the first bottle i got 8 shots, with the last one being just over 1, i think it was 1.2...

yikes, fill with a bit of air? i'm too much of a ***** to do that... i'd be afraid of injecting the air accidentally.

in any case, these are all tips that would be good to see in the noob guides. we invest a lot of time and money into this, and for us new guys, it can be pretty frustrating.

im gonna order from one of these online guys and hope for the best.

**drummerofgod87** · 01-09-2009, 02:27 AM

You only need like .1ml in order for it to work. It's not that bad even if you do inject a small amount of air into your muscles. The really bad thing to do is to inject air into a vein, so yeah, don't do that.

**kloan** · 01-09-2009, 02:28 AM

haha, i'll keep that in mind... :P

**Kale** · 01-09-2009, 02:29 AM

Originally Posted by kloan

huh, maybe the bottles are underfilled. if im drawing 1ml each time, and losing .1ml.. seems like they were only 9ml instead of 10. since the first bottle i got 8 shots, with the last one being just over 1, i think it was 1.2...

yikes, fill with a bit of air? i'm too much of a ***** to do that... i'd be afraid of injecting the air accidentally.

in any case, these are all tips that would be good to see in the noob guides. we invest a lot of time and money into this, and for us new guys, it can be pretty frustrating.

im gonna order from one of these online guys and hope for the best.

All newbies think that and they would be totally wrong. It actually takes about 20 cc of air to be injected at one time to kill somebody. We are talking a half to one cc here !!!

**drummerofgod87** · 01-09-2009, 02:33 AM

Story time. Once, I tried injecting in the dark so that I wouldn't awaken my roommate. When I aspirated, I obviously couldn't tell if I was in a vein or not, so I just went along with the injection and learned the hard way not to inject in the dark. I injected myself in the ass which felt like the gear was flowing through a vein, and it was. I immediately started coughing which grew to a rather extreme level within less than 30 seconds. I stumbled out of my room, coughing and sweating like there's no tomorrow. For 15 minutes, I coughed so hard I would start to gag. Luckily, nothing came out. My chest would hurt whenever I took in a deep breath for the next few days.

So yeah, actually. . . never inject anything into a vein for that matter.

**T_Own** · 01-09-2009, 02:38 AM

good story! 4 bedroom apartment ftw.

to rephrase what kale said, unless you are trying to, its next to impossible to inject enough air to kill you

the b12 should go to the top if you gently move the syringe around, but its better to draw that first so its already at the top

to being underfilled.. if you draw anything over 1ml each time, you won't have a full ml at the end. like i said before, if you do draw exactly 1ml, the .1 is lost in the shot, so you only inject .9 if you compensate by drawing more, then the vial will run out sooner. like kale said, you won't be able to completely drain it either, but by having 1.2ml left for the last shot it sounds like your measuring on the previous ones wasn't very good

**drummerofgod87** · 01-09-2009, 02:54 AM

Originally Posted by T_Own

good story! 4 bedroom apartment ftw.

to rephrase what kale said, unless you are trying to, its next to impossible to inject enough air to kill you

the b12 should go to the top if you gently move the syringe around, but its better to draw that first so its already at the top

to being underfilled.. if you draw anything over 1ml each time, you won't have a full ml at the end. like i said before, if you do draw exactly 1ml, the .1 is lost in the shot, so you only inject .9 if you compensate by drawing more, then the vial will run out sooner. like kale said, you won't be able to completely drain it either, but by having 1.2ml left for the last shot it sounds like your measuring on the previous ones wasn't very good

Yeah, after that incident, my roommate told me I could turn on the light and that he didn't mind.

**T_Own** · 01-09-2009, 02:55 AM

haha how about just doing it earlier in the day?

**drummerofgod87** · 01-09-2009, 02:58 AM

I'm a night owl. I do everything at night. This might explain why I'm on here at 4 am EST.

**T_Own** · 01-09-2009, 03:01 AM

same here.... the day is boring anyway... the night is where its at, day is for sleeping lol

**kloan** · 01-09-2009, 03:02 AM

Originally Posted by T_Own

good story! 4 bedroom apartment ftw.

to rephrase what kale said, unless you are trying to, its next to impossible to inject enough air to kill you

the b12 should go to the top if you gently move the syringe around, but its better to draw that first so its already at the top

to being underfilled.. if you draw anything over 1ml each time, you won't have a full ml at the end. like i said before, if you do draw exactly 1ml, the .1 is lost in the shot, so you only inject .9 if you compensate by drawing more, then the vial will run out sooner. like kale said, you won't be able to completely drain it either, but by having 1.2ml left for the last shot it sounds like your measuring on the previous ones wasn't very good

i think for a couple at the start i was going to 1.1 to compensate for getting the air out, before i figured out how to do it without losing gear.

i still think they're underfilled though. i'm doing .8ml now and what's left in the bottle after only two shots looks like it's not enough for 10 shots.

what i'm wondering at this point is if it's worth the risk trying other stuff at the end of the cycle. it'd be for another 2 or 3 weeks. so during that time, if it's not real gear, that's at least a month before i would start PCT (again, assuming the gear is bunk).

**kloan** · 01-09-2009, 03:04 AM

Originally Posted by Kale

All newbies think that and they would be totally wrong. It actually takes about 20 cc of air to be injected at one time to kill somebody. We are talking a half to one cc here !!!

i wonder, do the little bubbles add up over time or does the body flush them out somehow?

**T_Own** · 01-09-2009, 03:07 AM

well its good to do pct anyway, but are you feeling any of the usual things with test? any gains?

don't switch up your dose just to test it out, but its really hard to say if its underfilled or not. it might be more than .8ml you are drawing out, and i'm sure its hard to judge whether there is 8.4ml in the vial or less

**drummerofgod87** · 01-09-2009, 03:08 AM

Originally Posted by kloan

i wonder, do the little bubbles add up over time or does the body flush them out somehow?

The body will get rid of them. When I was little, I fell out of a tree and broke my lip open. A doc injected my lip and sewed the lip shut. For a while, there was a bump in my lip which I can only assume was air, but it eventually went away. You really shouldn't even get a noticeable amount of air in your body anyway if you do it right.

**kloan** · 01-09-2009, 03:18 AM

Originally Posted by T_Own

well its good to do pct anyway, but are you feeling any of the usual things with test? any gains?

don't switch up your dose just to test it out, but its really hard to say if its underfilled or not. it might be more than .8ml you are drawing out, and i'm sure its hard to judge whether there is 8.4ml in the vial or less

oh what i meant was if i were to order some gear online and used it for 2-3 weeks and it ended up being bunk, then that would be even longer before starting PCT. i plan on doing PCT no matter what...

the stuff i have now is good.. just wish i had more of it!

**Kale** · 01-09-2009, 08:06 AM

Originally Posted by kloan

i wonder, do the little bubbles add up over time or does the body flush them out somehow?

The body gets rid of them somehow. Maybe thats why I fart so much

**kloan** · 01-20-2009, 04:12 AM

So it's been 7 weeks, and I'm just NOW starting to really see/feel the effects. Shit. 10 weeks isn't going to be long enough... I need a miracle.

**Kale** · 01-20-2009, 04:14 AM

Originally Posted by kloan

So it's been 7 weeks, and I'm just NOW starting to really see/feel the effects. Shit. 10 weeks isn't going to be long enough... I need a miracle.

Thats why the average cycle is 12 weeks

PT · 01-20-2009, 05:14 AM

Originally Posted by kloan

I'm a bit peeved. None of the noob guides bothered to mention that you lose a bit of oil each time, and that 10ml doesn't actually = 5 weeks. I had to learn this the hard way, and I'm coming up short. I've had to drop from 1ml to 0.8ml so I can at least get to 10 weeks.. but I wanted to go 12.

Anyway, don't mean to rant.. just a little annoyed. Now I'm trying to figure out what I should do to get to 12 weeks. I'm down south for the winter (So-Cal), so I'm not able to deal with my rep.

Please edit the noob guides to reflect this! It'd be very helpful to people new to the game that it's better to order 3x 10ml bottles, not 2...

are you serious?

**kloan** · 01-20-2009, 02:37 PM

Originally Posted by Kale

Thats why the average cycle is 12 weeks

yep.. i know. i'm a retard with math sometimes and didn't realize 2 bottles is only good for 10. my rep should have corrected me, but i'm still an idiot for not figuring it out before i ordered.

**Mammon** · 01-20-2009, 02:42 PM

believe there is a thread in the educational threads explaining this..
" is you 10ml vial underfilled"

**Mammon** · 01-20-2009, 02:45 PM

Is your 10cc Vial really Underfilled?

**kloan** · 01-20-2009, 02:53 PM

Originally Posted by Mammon

Is your 10cc Vial really Underfilled?

daaaaamn.. that should be a sticky

**Immortal Soldier** · 01-20-2009, 03:54 PM

I think I lose more test than most people, since I get about two air bubbles and in between each of the two air bubbles(at the top of the syringe and in the needle) there is gear so I lose about 7-9 drops of the precious stuff everytime.

But I already knew you lose gear, hence why I have extra on hand.