First time user needs guidence

[Football 52]

I've been lifting on and off for a while, looking to start using

I'm about 6'1 250 right now... I am doing this primarily to become a better football player, I want to get stronger and faster as well as shed a good amount of bodyfat

Ive done research, and I think I'm going to start using Deca.... Ive read that testorsterone is a must while using deca, so I think I'm going to use that too...

I need advice on everything from what is the best kind of testosterone to use, to how much to use ect.

All input will be greatly appreciated!

[Big]

Welcome.
How old are you?
What is your body fat%?

[Matt]

What is your bf??

[Football 52]

I'm 20

Not sure what my bf% is. Im kind of fat but still have a lot of muscle mass from lifting... I have a gut but my arms are still relatively cut and chest looks solid... But my mid section and legs have a good amount of fat on them, but still a lot of muscle

[Matt]

Imo your to young and could reach your goals with a clean diet..

[Football 52]

Imo your to young and could reach your goals with a clean diet..

Yeah but a clean diet isnt going to get my bench press to 400 or my squat to 500+

My main goal is strength and explosive power

[Big]

You are indeed too young in my opinion, but regardless you need to get rid of the bf before you consider a cycle. running a cycle with too high bf puts you at drastically increased risk of blood pressure issues, estrogen related sides, etc.

[Football 52]

You are indeed too young in my opinion, but regardless you need to get rid of the bf before you consider a cycle. running a cycle with too high bf puts you at drastically increased risk of blood pressure issues, estrogen related sides, etc.

Hmmm... I didnt know that...

What do you suggest taking to help lose fat? Is albuterol good?

Once again thank you for the input people

[Matt]

Ive been on a number of cycles a cant squat anywhere near 500+

[Big]

I cut just through diet and cardio, but you should also research clen, it may be something you want to consider.

[Football 52]

Ive been on a number of cycles a cant squat anywhere near 500+

Right now I can bench about 275-300 max and probably squat close to 400... i cant really get past there...

[Football 52]

What effect do deca and test have on losing/gaining fat?

[Football 52]

Im not THAT fat, I'm really healthy but just kinda chubby and need to cut some... I wish I knew my bf% lol

[Matt]

Thats good bro, my bench is around 300, but my squat lacks somewhat. Ive never tried my pr on squats but id guess at about 350.. Anyway keep up the good work bro.

[Football 52]

What effect do deca and test have on losing/gaining fat?

bump

[Football 52]

Anyone here know? lol

[Jfew44]

Although deca and test can be used to cut, they are primarily used to bulk. Once cycle is not going to increase your bench by 100lbs, or even close. You said you are doing this for football right? Deca has a detection time of 18 months, so if you ever get tested deca is not even close to an option bro.

[clumsy]

even if u go on roids, without a perfect diet and suitable workout program u will achieve nothing.

u need to lose fat first , cauze 250 is pretty much, i would say u have at least 50 lbs of fat, probably more. u need to go on a diet , do alot of cardio along with the workout.

i know telling u to do this and that and not talking about steroids is annoying, cauze i had that, but its for your own good
when u are on low fat .. u can consider doing some cycles depending on u.

[njemarine98]

damn naturally my bench was 405
Squat i never maxed but i do 350 for 10 reps
also to the foortball player i dont know much of anything about roids, but i can tell you that ive had friends that were similar to your stats, and they used like idiots thinking it would turn them into a pro bb and they looked really bad they got chiniier face fatter
one of my friends completely changed his body structure for the bad
AGAIN i dont want to step on any toes just throwing my 2 cents in

[Lemonada8]

what position do you play?

and deca is a bad choice for a fball player because of the detectetion time... it will help if you find out ur bf%, like big said higer bf means more complications...

anyways if you are dead set on doin a cycle, you should do a simple test cycle, i recommend prop because of the detection time is short (2-3 weeks and 1 shot everyday) and its easier to manage than test susp (which needs to be shot 2x daily but detection time of like 1 week)

your diet will be the main factor if you "shed a good amount of fat" you should look in to clen and a clean diet to lose the fat

[Football 52]

what position do you play?

and deca is a bad choice for a fball player because of the detectetion time... it will help if you find out ur bf%, like big said higer bf means more complications...

anyways if you are dead set on doin a cycle, you should do a simple test cycle, i recommend prop because of the detection time is short (2-3 weeks and 1 shot everyday) and its easier to manage than test susp (which needs to be shot 2x daily but detection time of like 1 week)

your diet will be the main factor if you "shed a good amount of fat" you should look in to clen and a clean diet to lose the fat

inside linebacker

And I'm going to be going to a junior college that doesnt test. So That wont be a problem unless I end up playing at a 4 year school - which will still be more than 2 years from now so I'm good

Do deca and testosterone have any effect on fat loss/gain?

[Lemonada8]

i dont know... but my advice is to stay away from ddeca if u have a chance of being tested... being at a juco that doenst test isgreat but u cant have that long of detection time in ur system, you never know if u are gonna be tested in 18 months anyways.... and 6'1 250 inside linebacker? you shouldnt be that fat.... but thats my opinion...

i would say look into test prop along with winny (be sure to care for ur joints) this is the shortest time detection time with the best results IMO....

[Football 52]

i dont know... but my advice is to stay away from ddeca if u have a chance of being tested... being at a juco that doenst test isgreat but u cant have that long of detection time in ur system, you never know if u are gonna be tested in 18 months anyways.... and 6'1 250 inside linebacker? you shouldnt be that fat.... but thats my opinion...

i would say look into test prop along with winny (be sure to care for ur joints) this is the shortest time detection time with the best results IMO....

A good weight for an inside linebacker is about 220-240... I know I need to shed some...

And Im definitely not going to do winny, not going to ruin my joints, especially in an explosive sport like football winny is bad....

Once again I'm not worried about testing right now....

I know I can shed the fat I need to with a good diet and exercise... But my main goal is as much strength and power as possible....

[Lemonada8]

i kno wwhat u mean about joints and winny... i play fball also so im not just some guy :P...

if u are lookin for strength, then you should look at prop and halo.... that would be ur best bet...

look into a cycle of: test prop, Halo, clen.....
from what you ahve said, i would advise this would be the best cycle for you... you will wnat to keep it simple cause its ur first cycle and all but you could easily get the gains u want...
one tip tho, when you start to see gains from the cycle, keep in mind ur original goals cause they wiull want to change once u start seein the gains... that is if u work hard and such ( i am assuming thaat part)

so in the end my advice:
prop, halo, clen

[Football 52]

How do you feel about albuterol?

[Lemonada8]

dont know much about it... all i know about bout is clenbuterol... im sure there is info around here....

[Phate]

How do you feel about albuterol?

for what?

[Football 52]

fat loss

[Phate]

fat loss

albuterol is a definite option, but if your cardio and diet isn't on point then it won't help much

[Football 52]

albuterol is a definite option, but if your cardio and diet isn't on point then it won't help much

I know this....