Sust/Tren Cycle

**ALLSHO** · 01-17-2009, 09:47 AM

Hey all im new to the site....I posted up a cycle but it had major errors, since then I have been doing some reading and created something I hope is more correct.

Current Stats:
27 yr old male
6'4
210 lbs
14% bf
9 yrs training
Completed 3 cycles (Dbol , sust, deca )
Never did PCT on previous cycles (big mistake!). Gaining knowledge on PCT/have product (Clomid)

Preparing to start cycle Feb.1........been training hard with lots of cardio to reduce as much bf as possible prior to starting cycle.

Week 1-2
Tbol 10mg---4/day (280mg/week)

Week 3-10
Sust 250---2.0cc (500mg/week). Inject 1.0cc 2x/week
Tren 400---1.5cc (600mg/week). Inject 0.75cc 2x/week

Week 11-14
Winn 100---3.0cc (300mg/week). Inject 1.5cc 2x/week

Week 12-15
HCG ---500iu 2x/week

Week 16 PCT
Clomid---100mg/day
Nolva---40mg/day

Week 17-19 PCT
Clomid---50mg/day
Nolva---20mg/day

*Is the Tbol necessary or should it be deleted?
* I have read winny should be shot eod, please advise?
* I have never used HCG before...is this correct dosage?

Im open to all suggestions!

**redz** · 01-17-2009, 10:01 AM

Tbol isnt necesary but will get the gains going faster.
You cannot inject winnie twice per week, ed is needed as it is not esterfied.
You should also run the winnie a week earlier so your pct starts as the sustanon loses its effects.

HCG dose is fine, you may want to have an ai on hand in case also caber or bromo are good to use while running tren .

I have never seen or heard of Tren 400 until this post

**ALLSHO** · 01-17-2009, 10:17 AM

Thanks Redz for the feedback!

So Winnie ed @ 0.5cc/day (350mg/week) is ok?

If I start the winnie a week early should I cut the sust/tren a week eary as well?

I called it Tren 400 cuz that is the dosage....im sure its just called Tren e. Sorry for any misunderstanding!!!

You talked about an ai...if i use arimidex , where /when in the cycle would you suggest?

What about running caber with tren? what will it do....dosage??

**redz** · 01-17-2009, 10:22 AM

No I`m saying push the winnie start back one week so it over laps they other stuff by one week that way you will have a good test level through the winstrol use. .5cc ed would be perfect for the winstrol just be prepared for somewhat uncomfortable injections and muscle feeling after injections. If the pain gets un-bareable it can be drank as well.

Use the ai if you get sensitive nipples or any bad bloat.

I know it was Tren E I have just never heard of that strenght. I have stuff that is only 200mg/ml.

Caber can be run e3d or even twice a week for convenience. .25mg-.5mg doses it will keep any tren related gyno at bay and may even explain why I had virtually no sides on tren when I used it.

**green22** · 01-17-2009, 10:22 AM

Id just use test at 500mg and tren at 400mg a week for 12 weeks. then 2 weeks after last shot ad clomid and nolva for another 4 weeks.

**redz** · 01-17-2009, 10:24 AM

It is a 4th cycle I dont see any problems using a tbol kickstart. Also the ultimate cycles (imo) have a Test base with a 19nor and a DHT like the one he laid out.

**redz** · 01-17-2009, 10:26 AM

I just ran a very similar cycle to yours and the results were incredible. I am running that cycle next time except my winstrol is oral.

**ALLSHO** · 01-17-2009, 10:33 AM

Thanks Redz...you have been a huge help!

I will definitely throw in the tbol for a kickstart!

Question on the caber, i assume it is in liquid form...am I able to add it with my sust/tren shot??

Curious what was your bf at when you ran your last cycle and obtained incredible results?

**redz** · 01-17-2009, 10:38 AM

caber is an oral generally in pill form teh research chem versions of it havent been known to be as effective so if you can get the pills thats better AKA (Cabaser,Dostinex)

**redz** · 01-17-2009, 10:41 AM

Curious what was your bf at when you ran your last cycle and obtained incredible results?

I did a bulk cycle a few months back and my diet needed improvement I gained alot of muscle but also some fat from that cycle. I think I was about 16% 231lbs when I started the Tren /Test combo and finsihed around 12% 223lbs.

**Knockout_Power** · 01-17-2009, 10:58 AM

Is it typically a good idea to start the sust 2 weeks after the kicker? You wont start feeling it till nearly week 7 of the start of this cycle? Do you find this works well?

Sorry for what may be an ignorant question, never used Tbol, how fast do you feel it working?

**redz** · 01-17-2009, 11:03 AM

I would start the tbol at the same time the injectables start. Orals are all fast acting, should only be a few days before you feel it.

**ALLSHO** · 01-17-2009, 04:52 PM

Now that you mention it, I agree and will start the tbol at the same time as the sust & tren .

Thanks.

**Mammon** · 01-17-2009, 04:57 PM

sust 1-12
tren e 1-10
winny 10-15 ed

that tbol dose is to low..

**ALLSHO** · 01-17-2009, 05:02 PM

Why run the sust for 12 weeks and the tren for only 10???

**Mammon** · 01-17-2009, 05:03 PM

i find running test a few weeks past tren makes recovery easier

**ALLSHO** · 01-17-2009, 05:38 PM

Another quick question to throw out there:

I am heading to Mexico for a wedding (no not mine!!!) on May 8...that will put my cycle at week 15....currently i am finishing sust/tren on week 10 and running winnie for the following 4 weeks right up to when I leave for the beach. Should I be running sust and/or sust/tren for longer (perhaps until week 12) will it make a difference??? I want to look the best I can for vaca!!!