1st cycle is it good?

[tommy22587]

alright im about to turn 22, been lifting for 8 years, im at 210 right now 6ft. i lift 5 days a week my diet is keyd in. iv takn pro hormone sdrol didnt really see much so i wanna go on up and get the real shit going lemme know what you think


i was thinkn of

test e or test s 500 mg 12 weeks
deca 400mg for 12 weeks

w a pct of clomid

[Mammon]

if your gonna do it i think test only would be fine..
id run some nolvadex with the clomid for pct as well

[Mammon]

oh, btw... test s.... you mean c as in cyp or you talking suspension/sustanon.. lost on that one

[Matt]

Yes for a first cycle test e only is good...

[tommy22587]

im deff going to do it, iv been thinkn about it for about 8 months now, and just been looking stuff up, talkn to a few people at my gym who have done a few... just test? i thought the 1st cycle is when u see your best results? so wouldnt both be good? or just to risky

[UncleD]

for a first go your not ready for a 19 nor the sides or the hard ercovery just do test e maybe dbol and test e but test alone is fine

[tommy22587]

oh i was talkn about test suspension

[romo6]

Test e 500 a week for 12 will work for first cycle.I love deca but you might want to wait on that.If you cant 400 is a perfect dose.And you will need more than clomid for pct.

[tommy22587]

i can wait, this is what a few people from my gym are telling me i should take, and i just wantd to see what you guys thought.

[lord henry]

oh i was talkn about test suspension

nope dont use test sup ,it needs to be injected every day at 50-100mgs so thats 7 shots a week some even shoot 50mgs am and 50mgs pm ,thats 14 injections per week

[Mammon]

yeah forget the suspension.. go with a long ester..
btw, most guys at the gym dont have a clue.. your in the right place for info

[romo6]

Yea suspension is out of the question.

[tommy22587]

yeah, well the guys i lift with have been usin for 6 years and a few there have been 20+... they told me to watch bigger stronger faster and after seen taht movie theres no 2nd thought at all. so just tests e for 12 weeks?

[lord henry]

weeks 1-4 30mgs dbol ed

weeks 1-12 500mgs test e or test c every week

weeks 14-18 nolvadex 40/20/20/20

weeks 14-18 clomid 50/50/25/25

adex on hand for gyno probs while on cycle ,if seen start at 0.25mgs every other day right up to pct -if adex is not alvalible go with nolvadex at 20mgs ed until gyno settles then 10mg thuout cycle.

[Mammon]

imo if your gonna run an AI you should from the beginning of the cycle.. if your not running an AI and gyno symptoms pop ut then i think nolvadex is the best option..
if not using anything and problems pop up im not going to start an AI and wait around for it to start working,while the problem progresses, when i can take nolvadex and keep the estrogen thats already there from binding to the receptors and stop it right away..

[Big]

weeks 1-4 30mgs dbol ed

weeks 1-12 500mgs test e or test c every week

weeks 14-18 nolvadex 40/20/20/20

weeks 14-18 clomid 50/50/25/25

adex on hand for gyno probs while on cycle ,if seen start at 0.25mgs every other day right up to pct -if adex is not alvalible go with nolvadex at 20mgs ed until gyno settles then 10mg thuout cycle.

actually pct would start week 15-18, not 14-18 as you have it. It's only a 4 week pct and starts 2 weeks after last jab.

[jimmyinkedup]

imo if your gonna run an AI you should from the beginning of the cycle.. if your not running an AI and gyno symptoms pop ut then i think nolvadex is the best option..
if not using anything and problems pop up im not going to start an AI and wait around for it to start working,while the problem progresses, when i can take nolvadex and keep the estrogen thats already there from binding to the receptors and stop it right away..

i agree 100%.....

[tommy22587]

so then maybe test e 500mg for 12 weeks with arimidex .5 a day for the 12 weeks? what should my pct be then?

[lord henry]

yer good info guys ,i am learning mhyself still and posted the proposed cycle and pct knowing that it would be fixed if there was any probs.

good work

[tommy22587]

oh ya im looking to gain size for teh cycle lol i didnt really say what i was hoping to get form it. so would u say test e 500 12 weeks alone, or test e 500 12 weeks with arimidex .5 a day for 12 weeks
or what lord said

[jimmyinkedup]

its your call ..if u wanna take a chance re: estrogen and see how u respond leave it out just have adex and nolva on hand...if not run low dose from jump to be on the safe side....Adex - 25eod -.25ed ....you can up it if needed if u start to retain alot of h20 or see other estrogen related sides starting to appear.... its a personal choice....