Starting 12 week Test E cycle with Test Prop

**bboveri** · 01-20-2009, 09:00 AM

Planning my next cycle and was thinking of trying to start with test prop/test e, and finish with the test E (or cyp).

What would be the best way to do this? Inject Say 100mg of Test e the first couple/few weeks, and something like 50mg of test prop EOD?

Haven't really looked into using short esters too much, so any help is appreciated. Does this seem like a good/bad idea?

My amps I am looking into getting are test prop, 200mg/2ml (so 100mg/ml).

**johnnybigguns** · 01-20-2009, 09:58 AM

I'm guessing this will be your first cycle?

**chuckt12345** · 01-20-2009, 10:33 AM

Originally Posted by bboveri

Planning my next cycle and was thinking of trying to start with test prop/test e, and finish with the test E (or cyp).

What would be the best way to do this? Inject Say 100mg of Test e the first couple/few weeks, and something like 50mg of test prop EOD?

Haven't really looked into using short esters too much, so any help is appreciated. Does this seem like a good/bad idea?

My amps I am looking into getting are test prop, 200mg/2ml (so 100mg/ml).

You would start your test e injections like normal and add the prop for the kickstart. So if you were doin 500mg/wk you would do that along with your prop shots.

**bboveri** · 01-20-2009, 11:56 AM

Originally Posted by chuckt12345

You would start your test e injections like normal and add the prop for the kickstart. So if you were doin 500mg/wk you would do that along with your prop shots.

Second cycle. Won't run it for couple months, just getting things together.

So 500mg/week test cyp or enanth, and then maybe 50mg prop EOD, for how many weeks? The first 4?

**johnnybigguns** · 01-20-2009, 12:48 PM

you should shoot prop everyday.
first 4 should be good.
If you frontload your test e it will kick in alot faster

**Mammon** · 01-20-2009, 12:53 PM

i wouldnt bother to frontload the enanthate if your running prop as a kick..

**johnnybigguns** · 01-20-2009, 03:57 PM

I'm just saying if he wanted to. Then he could avoid running prop.

**bboveri** · 01-20-2009, 05:09 PM

Originally Posted by johnnybigguns

I'm just saying if he wanted to. Then he could avoid running prop.

What would be a good dose to frontload test at if I choose this route? Cypionate , 200mg/ml.

Does prop ABSOLUTELY have to be pinned ED? 100mg EOD seems like it would be sufficient for the first 4 weeks, no?

Also kick starting with 50mg d-bol.

**bboveri** · 01-20-2009, 09:03 PM

Sorry for all the questions guys. I appreciate all the advice.

Another option, what about running sustanon 250 at 1cc a week for the first 4 weeks...it'd save me some cash, and the shorter half lives of the tests make it seem like it'd be a good idea.

1-15 Test Cyp 400mg/week
1-4 sustanon 250mg/week
1-4 D-bol 50mg/day

Good, bad, ugly??

**Mammon** · 01-20-2009, 09:11 PM

maybe if your injecting the sust eod.. would be fine with just prop..
prop is fine eod.. not absolutely necessary to inj ed.

**johnnybigguns** · 01-20-2009, 09:59 PM

I wouldn't do sust. I would stick to single esters.
For a frontload I would suggest doubling your dose until you reach the half life of the compound then go to your normal dose,
If you running dbol for a kick start I would just run it and test e.
I don't know if you have ever done prop before but it can be very painfull.

I would suggest
1-15 test c or test e 500mg
1-4 dbol 25mg-50mg

If you haven't done dbol before you'll probably wanna keep it on the low end

**bboveri** · 01-20-2009, 10:40 PM

Originally Posted by johnnybigguns

I wouldn't do sust. I would stick to single esters.
For a frontload I would suggest doubling your dose until you reach the half life of the compound then go to your normal dose,
If you running dbol for a kick start I would just run it and test e.
I don't know if you have ever done prop before but it can be very painfull.

I would suggest
1-15 test c or test e 500mg
1-4 dbol 25mg-50mg

If you haven't done dbol before you'll probably wanna keep it on the low end

Hmmm...

Might stray away from prop then. My job requires me to be active, so pain won't be a good thing.

So if I frontload test cyp, run it at 1g for the first 2 weeks?

This will be my 2nd cycle, ran d-bol at 40mg first cycle, no side effects.

**Mammon** · 01-20-2009, 10:46 PM

yes when you frontload you do double the dose for the first few weeks.

**johnnybigguns** · 01-20-2009, 11:12 PM

When I shot prop into my quads I was in so much pain limping around for a few days. Could hardly walk to was probably the owrse pain I have ever experienced in my life. But I do here that some prop is painless so i cant say forsure