Deca/testosterone - Effect on fat loss/gain?

**Football 52** · 01-20-2009, 09:15 PM

What effects do these have have fat loss? Good? Bad?

**Mammon** · 01-20-2009, 09:23 PM

umm, wouldnt really count on it for fat loss.. that will be determined by your diet and training/cardio

**Big** · 01-20-2009, 09:25 PM

this guy asked the exact same question, perhaps some of the answers he received might help you:

First time user needs guidence

**Football 52** · 01-20-2009, 09:30 PM

Originally Posted by Big

this guy asked the exact same question, perhaps some of the answers he received might help you:

First time user needs guidence

That's me.... I didnt get a definitive answer... And I KNOW that diet is by far the most important thing...

Once again I just want to know, do these help cut bodyfat AT ALL? Will they increase bodyfat/hinder your fat loss AT ALL?

**Big** · 01-20-2009, 09:36 PM

Originally Posted by Football 52

That's me.... I didnt get a definitive answer... And I KNOW that diet is by far the most important thing...

Once again I just want to know, do these help cut bodyfat AT ALL? Will they increase bodyfat/hinder your fat loss AT ALL?

I'm sorry I knew it was you, I was just being a smart a$$. I already gave my opinions to you on the safest ways for you to go about it, but I'll bump for other opinions as well.

**Brown Ninja** · 01-20-2009, 09:39 PM

I wouldn't take it under the assumption of it helping you cut weight. The added muscle will help to some extent but as what everyone said....diet

**Football 52** · 01-20-2009, 09:52 PM

Will it hinder my cutting?

**Mammon** · 01-20-2009, 09:54 PM

deca isnt something i run in a "cutter".. but you can cut on anything.. again, everything revolves around diet

**Football 52** · 01-20-2009, 10:05 PM

Originally Posted by Mammon

deca isnt something i run in a "cutter".. but you can cut on anything.. again, everything revolves around diet

lol, does it have a positive effect or negative effect?

**Pittbull78** · 01-20-2009, 10:13 PM

Big and Brown Ninja are absolutely spot on. Anybody in the Iron Brotherhood will tell you friend that Gear alone is not going to get you that Spartan physique from 300, it takes diet. Sure I like to use t3 and some clen , but these compounds have health risks if not used correctly.

In anycase I will indulge you, and answer your question - Yes, I'm willing to say that running higer dosages of test has assisted me in loosing some fat, but I know plenty of buddies who went and stuffed their faces with whoppers and all the gear did for them was make them fatter! Sure they put on some muscle on but it was hidden under a nice layer of adipose tissue.

The fine point is that if you eat lean your test will assist you getting lean - and may even for some people lessen the need for cardio on a weekly basis. But as I have passed the 30 mark myself I can say that I need to maintain cardio and a clean diet while running my gear to keep the look I desire. I'm not saying that I'm in contest shape year round right now I'm about 12-13% bf and thats as high as like to go. In any case determine what your goals are and then know that while gear may help you in your pursuit for a lean body it is by no means a holy grail.

**Pittbull78** · 01-20-2009, 10:20 PM

Oh and I aggree with mammon deca is by no means a pre-contest "cutter" drug. In fact these days its one of the most widely counterfeited drugs on the black market because of nandrolone 's higher production cost. I would guess based on your question you haven't been at this game long enough to ensure you're getting the real deal - stay away from deca.

**blueghost9217** · 01-20-2009, 10:30 PM

imo the deca and test would allow you to drop the calories lower without losing as much muscle mass as if you did your cut without them. i definitely believe you should focus all of your energy on cutting first, getting down to round 12%. just get some clen or albuterol, i would go clen since its a little stronger, get down to maintenance calories, throw in cardio 5 days a week. this combined with your football workouts and the weight will come off. i would definitely save the test and deca for later when u can get the maximum benefits from it

**Football 52** · 01-20-2009, 11:04 PM

Originally Posted by blueghost9217

imo the deca and test would allow you to drop the calories lower without losing as much muscle mass as if you did your cut without them. i definitely believe you should focus all of your energy on cutting first, getting down to round 12%. just get some clen or albuterol, i would go clen since its a little stronger, get down to maintenance calories, throw in cardio 5 days a week. this combined with your football workouts and the weight will come off. i would definitely save the test and deca for later when u can get the maximum benefits from it

Is clen safe? I'm worried about using it

**Football 52** · 01-21-2009, 02:44 AM

Originally Posted by Football 52

Is clen safe? I'm worried about using it

bump

**seriousmass** · 01-21-2009, 02:50 AM

Originally Posted by Big

this guy asked the exact same question, perhaps some of the answers he received might help you:

First time user needs guidence

AHHAHAHA.

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OP: Yes clen is safe..

But like everyone else has said so far, diet is the most important thing. Learn how to eat... check out the diet forum!

**Football 52** · 01-21-2009, 04:03 PM

Originally Posted by seriousmass

AHHAHAHA.

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OP: Yes clen is safe..

But like everyone else has said so far, diet is the most important thing. Learn how to eat... check out the diet forum!

I know! lol

I am very educated about nutrition and lifting, just a newcomer to steroids

**Mammon** · 01-21-2009, 04:04 PM

there are possible heart concerns with the use of clen ..

**chuckt12345** · 01-21-2009, 04:15 PM

i thnk test is great for fat loss but thats just my own exp. It usually raises my core temp and speeds up my metabolism.

**southmadejd** · 01-21-2009, 05:05 PM

Yeah I wouldn't over generalize Clen like one poster did and just say "Yes, clen is safe."

Clen can actually be very dangerous if you don't know what you are doing.

I would suggest to anyone that before you take Clen get your Blood Pressure taken somewhere accurate (like a doctor's office). And then if all goes well and you decide to start a cycle with clen you should still monitor your BP closely because it will rise...it is just a matter of how much.

**Bossman** · 01-21-2009, 05:31 PM

Originally Posted by Football 52

What effects do these have have fat loss? Good? Bad?

If you are in a calorie deficit, AAS will help you keep your muscle while cutting. AAS will not burn fat. So, that's good, right?

Is your goal to burn fat? How much weight do you need to lose and what is your estimated BF%. Are you tested for steroids ?