suggestions please

[ess3489]

i have been working out for 3 years very regular now and had almost topped out and couldn't gain anymore... then i had an accident and had surgery which kept me out of the gym for months..... i just started back again and my goal is t gain muscle mass and get bigger but also have a cutting stage at the end to get ripped.... i tried d-bol twice now and has not impressed with it at all.

i'm 6'2 185 pounds and 22 years old.

from what i read i think i need to do a 12 week cycle with test and then at the beginning take d-bol or something similar... and the last 4 weeks take winstol or something.....


i'm just not sure what to take or the amount so that i will gain bulk at the beginning but then loose the water weight and get ripped at the end..... does this even make sense haha

any suggestions or help i appreciate it thanks a lot -Eric

[Nicotine]

6'2 amd 185 - head on over to the diet section......

you have a LOT of room to naturally grow - and if you've been out of training due to an accident, you most likely have lots of room for improvement.

as for d-bol....was it a d-bol only cycle?

[Dobie-BOY]

I Agree with the cancer man

[ess3489]

yea it was a d-bol only cycle..... didnt do much so i figured i would post here to find a way to stack i cycle....haha yea 185 isnt to bad i mean i gained a little from not lifting in 3 months but im still in decent shape.

but what stack cycle would be best for me to gain mass and then cut?

[Dobie-BOY]

The answer is diet and supplements for now bro. But if ur like I used to be, a simple test E or test E and dbol cycle would be good.

[Kale]

yea it was a d-bol only cycle..... didnt do much so i figured i would post here to find a way to stack i cycle....haha yea 185 isnt to bad i mean i gained a little from not lifting in 3 months but im still in decent shape.

but what stack cycle would be best for me to gain mass and then cut?

There isnt one, you cant bulk and cut in the same cycle. Bulking and cutting is all about diet and very little to do with steroids

[ess3489]

so with the test e and d-bol cycle what would that do just add mass? amd how long and how much of each? and then i would have to have a completely different cycle to cut down after this?

[seriousmass]

Test Enth
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=199827

Dianabol
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=199829

read up.

[Dobie-BOY]

so with the test e and d-bol cycle what would that do just add mass? amd how long and how much of each? and then i would have to have a completely different cycle to cut down after this?

Kale's right and I would suggest a trip to the "steroid profiles" forum AFTER a trip to the "diet" forum

[seriousmass]

I just realized you probably don't know what a PCT is... so here:

read these as well... TWICE.. because PCT are the most important part of the cycle...

Pheendo's PCT
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=94626


All You Need To Know About Gyno
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=236880

[ess3489]

lol im just really confused i guess. i thought there was just a general basic staking cycle to get mass... then fallowed by a stacking cylce to get cut... or do i cut first and diet then stack to get mass.... just consufed on where to start. mass stacking cycle first the cut cyce with diet? and can anyone recomend which products to take

[Dobie-BOY]

Bulk then cut.

[ess3489]

so after reading around i found a beginners stack tell me if this is close to being a good one to bulk up: week 1-12 test e. week 1-5 d-bol.... and then at the end do i take pct or whatever? and that will just be the bulking phase right? so then do i make another stack cycle for cutting? or could i have just added winstol to the end of my cycle after the d-bol around week 8-12? or do i need to do bulking for week 1-12 then later do cutting for 12 weeks? i wish i could combine them

[chuckt12345]

just run the test cycle, forget about adding the winny. You diet and train right on test you will gain weight and cut up. If your not cut enough afterwards you can get to were you need to do with diet and cardio alone.

[ess3489]

ok thanks.... so test e for 12 weeks and d-bol for 5.... and when and how much of pct do i take? i not really familiar with what i take like pct at the end.... any help with that?

[chuckt12345]

14 days after last shot,, start up pct for at least 4 wks
clomid 100mg/ed for first 2 wks,, then 50mg/ed for last 2
nolva 40mg/ed for first 2 wk ,, 20mg after

[ess3489]

ok thanks for all your help.... and you think dbol will be better with the test e than deca would? and how much water weight will i possible gain? should i just diet right after and to cardio to loose it or is there something i can take to help shred?

[chuckt12345]

dbol just a kickstart man,, ur gonna gain water with the dbol but that will go away. Keep your sodium low and get some arimidex if your really concerned with bloat.

[ess3489]

like i said earlier i did 2 cycles with just dbol... now i know that was bad and shouldnt have... but i have a bottle of novedex left over that i was supposed to take after the dbol was up.... can i use that with the clomid for my pct at the end of my week 1-12 test e and week 1-5 dbol stack?