Complicated Question...

[JT8561]

Alright where to begin. My stats are as follows.

25
190#'s
5'9"

Not sure on the body fat but its pretty fair right now.

I've done 2 cycles in my lifetime, however I've been on AndroGel Doctor Prescribed since I was a teenager, My body produces and extremely low amount of test naturally. The reason I'm saying this is cause here is my question.

I'm leaving for USMC Boot Camp This monday, now I keep getting told not to say anything about my taking of the androgel cause it COULD disqualify me from leaving. I'm already in took my physical everythings good to go. I never told them I was taking any enhancers or anything.

My question Is If im producing very low to no test and I don't take anything for 13 weeks Is it gonna be that hard for me to finish my training. I'm worried about losing so much strength that it makes it impossible for me to finish my training. I don't care how much size I'll lose I'll put it back on later but I'm told I need to suck to up finish bootcamp before I declare anything.

Now I spoke to my doc about this and she said its not too detrimental to my health to do it. She also Advised I take 4cc's of Test Cyp Depo before I leave. She said that with the depo I could dose it up too 4 weeks before I'd need another shot. With that said that leaves me the next 2 months with little to no test in my body.

I'm in very good shape right now both strength and running. I run a 9 minute mile and 1/2 which is pretty good for my size. No track star but it works. So I just wanna hear some Opinions on what everyone things, Obviously i'm very set on completing bootcamp.

[Big]

You should be able to use any medication that you have a prescription for.

[auslifta]

You should of just told them, of course it will effect your ability to train. Can you contact them and tell them your situation? One dose of cyp wont cut it for 13weeks

[JT8561]

Well Ya thats fine I could Have told them, they could of just told me I can't join thats my problem.. I know the cyp won't last 3 months It should be good for the first 4 weeks. And ofcourse its gonna affect my training but I don't wanna be disqualified from leaving for the Marines. Now what I did do was get a recent script from my doc to bring with me and if they deem it necessary they will fill it for me. Its a tough decision.

[BloodyBillAnderson]

The HRT I am on is considered a cosmetic thing by my insurance, but I am 43. I assume your therapy is considered medically necessary. Do you know it will disqualify you from service? even if it does can you hide the use of it for 4 or 6 years, paying for it yourself? They will find out bro, better to tell them now or just don't use it. Thank you for your potential service.

[JT8561]

The HRT I am on is considered a cosmetic thing by my insurance, but I am 43. I assume your therapy is considered medically necessary. Do you know it will disqualify you from service? even if it does can you hide the use of it for 4 or 6 years, paying for it yourself? They will find out bro, better to tell them now or just don't use it. Thank you for your potential service.

It is considered Medically necessary and my insurance pays for it. Once I get through bootcamp I can declare it, I just don't want them to DQ me before I leave.

[JT8561]

So what do you guys think? I'm still kinda undecided what im gonna do. I'm thinking either I just don't take it. Or I bring a copy of the Script with me and just give it too them When I get there.

[Immortal Soldier]

Why don't you just take the gel with you?

And if they ask say that you have low hormonal levels and if you taken it as a kid.

If they kick you out for that then thats just wrong, its one thing to be taking enhancers its another to be able to be on the same playing field as everyone else. If you stop taking it, you are at a disadvantage because of your body's hormonal function.

[JT8561]

This Is very true However When I went through My medical Screening I didn't indicate that I was taking anything for fear of getting dropped from the program and not being able to enlist. Now Its come that I'm leaving on monday and Im trying to decide if I should Bring the medication with me. Or if I can just suck it up and go 2 months w/o taking any test at all...

[JT8561]

I'm Just really curious How badly I would be affected By it, aside from feeling Like shit, Low sex drive doesn't matter, The biggest Concern I have is Lack of energy But I mean, I didn't Start Hrt Til I was 19 so, I went the first 19 years of My life without It whats the difference if I don't have it for 2 months, I plan I injecting the Cyp depo dosed at 4 weeks, So does that mean 4 weeks from when I inject I will have absolutely no test in my body?

[nyjetsfan86]

take it with you and tell them your situation even bring a notarized letter from your doc and a copy of the prescription from your doc they shouldnt have a problem with it and if they do worst case scenario you cant take it but when i was in basic the only medications they dindt allow people to take was acne medication bc it wasnt nescasary for them to take it but without the gel you may not be able to make it through basic

[JT8561]

Thats Exactly what I was gonna do, then I got my recruiters telling me not too because they may DQ me saying there might be something else wrong with me...

[nyjetsfan86]

you cant get DQ bc you have low test levels

[JT8561]

Did you goto Marine Boot or another branch? I mean what I was gonna do was bring the 3 months worth of Gel which is 3 boxes with a the script to Shipping and just spring it on them that My doc gave it to me saying I have low test. But that may raise flags where they might wanna check me out again, make sure I don't have any problems. Thats my dilemma. Like I said I could Always just bring just the script with me in my wallet to bootcamp and give it to them down there..

[nyjetsfan86]

yea marine boot, just bring it down there.....if there was anything that raised a red flag you wouldnt have passed the physical at meps

[JT8561]

Should I just bring the script and the first months Box, and just have them refill it so It doesn't look as bad carrying all 3 months worth? I mean I'm sure they could fill it for me. I'm just worried about having to go through a consult and all that shit the day I'm suposed to ship..

[nyjetsfan86]

bring what you need im telling you when i was there people had all kinds of medication, if you need it they cant tell you that you cant take it

[JT8561]

Alright bro thanks will do...

[blake.varhaug]

Im in the military man, If you go off to basic training with the stuff they cant take it from you. You will get told to dump all your bags, when they tell you this make sure you let them know you have required prescriptions. If it is required for your health they must give them to you. If you've already sworn in most likely they arent going to med board you out of the military. Its a very long process. That have to give you your medicine though

[Bossman]

Thats Exactly what I was gonna do, then I got my recruiters telling me not too because they may DQ me saying there might be something else wrong with me...

I would think your recruiter would be a better person to take advice from then guys on this steroid board. If he said to make it through basic training without it, and then bring it up later, that's what I would do. You're not going to die without your test. You'll be going through the same thing other users go through that don't properly use PCT.

[run_n_fool]

First off, I spent 4 years in the Marine Corps and am pretty familiar with recruiting processes. Do you ever go the military . com forums? There is a sub-forum there for recruiters/recruiting questions. If I were you, I'd get in there ASAP and post up your situation. I'd also search the forums for the same info. These guys have seen and done it all so someone will know

Certain pre-existing medical conditions are immediately disqualifying (asthma, diabetes, many others). Having a script does not do you any good if you failed to disclose this issue during your medical screening. I have seen recruits show up with their prescribed inhaler and immediately begin processing for Entry Level Separation. If low test is not a disqualifying illness then you might be ok (I cannot see why the military would allow low test in it's warriors but I honestly do not know for sure).

I do not know what your natty test production looks like, but I can tell you that going down to SD or PI, getting your head shaved, and then getting sent home 2 days later due to "fraudulent enlistment" would suck, and also be hugely disappointing, not to mention embarrassing. Additionally, it could preclude you from certain civilian and federal jobs in the future.

Your other option is to take your last shot, and go for it without disclosing anything and without bringing your meds. Again, depending on what your body does naturally, it could make training difficult.

Are you going to SD or PI?

[Ming]

As a former Marine I congratulate you on choosing the best branch of the service to enlist in. (just joking all you other types) However, did you really think this through? If your sent to Afghanistan or some other God-forsaken place, how the heck would you get your Androgel?
Good luck though.

[run_n_fool]

Ming, Semper Fidelis brother.

[Ming]

Ditto to you run n fool. Like they say, there are no ex-marines. Certainly a life changing experience. Best wishes.

[JT8561]

First off, I spent 4 years in the Marine Corps and am pretty familiar with recruiting processes. Do you ever go the military . com forums? There is a sub-forum there for recruiters/recruiting questions. If I were you, I'd get in there ASAP and post up your situation. I'd also search the forums for the same info. These guys have seen and done it all so someone will know

Certain pre-existing medical conditions are immediately disqualifying (asthma, diabetes, many others). Having a script does not do you any good if you failed to disclose this issue during your medical screening. I have seen recruits show up with their prescribed inhaler and immediately begin processing for Entry Level Separation. If low test is not a disqualifying illness then you might be ok (I cannot see why the military would allow low test in it's warriors but I honestly do not know for sure).

I do not know what your natty test production looks like, but I can tell you that going down to SD or PI, getting your head shaved, and then getting sent home 2 days later due to "fraudulent enlistment" would suck, and also be hugely disappointing, not to mention embarrassing. Additionally, it could preclude you from certain civilian and federal jobs in the future.

Your other option is to take your last shot, and go for it without disclosing anything and without bringing your meds. Again, depending on what your body does naturally, it could make training difficult.

Are you going to SD or PI?

I'm Headed to PI.. Ya I'm Kinda Leaning Toward Just taking My last shot and going. Suck it up for a couple months. Like I said I didn't start hrt til I was almost 20 so is 2 months off it gonna kill me, I don't think so. I mean I spoke to my doc about it and she said I would Be ok, I would just have stuff like Lower sex drive less energry and strength but nothing too bad other than that... I should Really feel much til after the first months anyway, the Cyp Depo she gave me to take is suposed to be a once a month shot. So After About a month I should Be running low on test, I was wondering tho after 4 weeks the Cyp is totally out of your system or does it still hang in there for a little?

[MMArmour]

no bro. The cyp wont even stay constant in your blood for a month. it will start falling after about 10 days and gradually creep down. Im not sure to what a degree i single shot of cyp will shut you down but if she is talking about giving you a months worth (i assume around 1g) i think it will be pretty hard and after that cyp is gone you will be left with a whole lot of not much but here is the thing....YOULL BE FINE. Youll feel alittle bit of lethargy (which u wotn have an option for) and maybe even alittle depressed but ull be good 2 go bro.

[JT8561]

Thats all I wanna Hear Bro, I'm gonna be miserable and angry the whole 3 months anyways from the Drill Instructers... As far as After Being sent to AfganLand or something, thats Fine Cause Once I finish Boot I can just declare the medication and start taking it without a problem its just the inital training through boot thats a problem. After boot I should Be good to go.. Like I said I'm a little Over a 190Pounds right now, That should Last me a while its not like im gonna drop to 140 pounds after a month, I've built myself a pretty good frame over the years..

My doc told me to take 800mg's The day before I leave, But I Have 2 Vitals Of the stuff So I could add a little more if I needed, Not sure if that would do anything for me... Normally I take 200mgs a week or 400 every 2 weeks. So thats where the 800mgs came from... Last time I cycled what I did was 500mg's a week for 10 weeks. Do you think I would benefit from doing more then 800mg's in the last shot, It is rated for 2-4 doses...

[MMArmour]

youll do just fine bro. Just mentally prepare yourself for potential side effects like i mentioned. Bro...my bet is that your ass is going to be SO busy that youll forget all about this shit bro. DI's will have your ass running all over the place doing all kinds of challenging new things bro the last thing on your mind is going to be cyp injections. Good luck, be proud, and most of all...DO SOME ****ING DAMAGE!

[JT8561]

You Know It Bro.. I'm Good to go... What do you suggest for the dose of my last inject before I go?

[MMArmour]

i would go with your doctors advice for that man. but ill bump for more opinions

[D7M]

First off, I spent 4 years in the Marine Corps and am pretty familiar with recruiting processes. Do you ever go the military . com forums? There is a sub-forum there for recruiters/recruiting questions. If I were you, I'd get in there ASAP and post up your situation. I'd also search the forums for the same info. These guys have seen and done it all so someone will know

Certain pre-existing medical conditions are immediately disqualifying (asthma, diabetes, many others). Having a script does not do you any good if you failed to disclose this issue during your medical screening. I have seen recruits show up with their prescribed inhaler and immediately begin processing for Entry Level Separation. If low test is not a disqualifying illness then you might be ok (I cannot see why the military would allow low test in it's warriors but I honestly do not know for sure).

I do not know what your natty test production looks like, but I can tell you that going down to SD or PI, getting your head shaved, and then getting sent home 2 days later due to "fraudulent enlistment" would suck, and also be hugely disappointing, not to mention embarrassing. Additionally, it could preclude you from certain civilian and federal jobs in the future.

Your other option is to take your last shot, and go for it without disclosing anything and without bringing your meds. Again, depending on what your body does naturally, it could make training difficult.

Are you going to SD or PI?

This was the best advice so far.

[JT8561]

Ya It was. Like I said I'm gonna stick it out for a couple months, I should be alright.. Don't care to come home after 2 days with a shaved head.

[MegatronsMuscle]

I have to also agree with Run-n-fool. I was in for 4 years (I'm a Hollywood Marine - SD) and when you get to MCRD they will take everything away from you (even meds unless they are required - because you will be going to see the docs and get all that stuff re-prescribed).

If that is a disqualifying condition you will be summarily processed out of the Marines - no question about that because boot camp is where they weed out the medical, physical and mental conditions.

When you get out to the fleet however that is a different story. I enlisted with asthma (reactive airway disease is what one Navy Doc put it). My recruiter just fibbed and put on my papers that I have asthma but have not had an attack in 8 years. I sucked up the breathing problems during boot camp and MCT.

When I got to my unit I went to BAS and told them I had "breathing problems" possibly related to asthma I had years ago. They promptly prescribed me Albuterol inhalers for the rest of my enlistment. When you get to the fleet your medical condition will be more "tolerated" unless it severly hampers your duties. I am not sure if low test is a disqualifying condition.

So if you can, consider sucking it up through boot camp, MCT, and when you get to your MOS school you can see the docs and feel out if your condition is something they are willing to prescribe your required meds for. Trust me the Marines (the Navy handles our medical) have no shortage of all meds under the rainbow for every condition.

Just my 2 cents from serving in the finest fighting unit in the world - with asthma.

[MegatronsMuscle]

Hey bro I did some research on Department of Defense (DOD) Directive 6130.3, Physical Standards for Appointment, Enlistment, and Induction, and DOD Instruction 6130.4, Criteria and Procedure Requirements for Physical Standards for Appointment, Enlistment, or Induction in the Armed Forces:

The disqualifying medical conditions are listed below. The International Classification of Disease (ICD) codes are listed in parentheses following each standard.

The causes for rejection for appointment, enlistment, and induction (without an approved waiver) are an authenticated history of:

a. Adrenal dysfunction (255) of any degree.

[Ming]

Just a clarification. Didn't mean The USMC is lacking when it comes to great MD's and corpsmen who will take care of you, just wanted to point out that depending on where you find yourself, you may just be satisfied that they're dropping in clean water. Expecting to get your T-booster might be a little much to ask for.

Best of luck at MCRD. Best advice I can give is keep your mouth shut and do what you're told when you're told. I too was at PI. Your fondest memory will be the view of the front gate as you leave after completing training.

[run_n_fool]

JT, regardless of what you find out, go to military . com and FIND OUT FOR SURE if you have a disqualifying condition. "Declaring your meds" after training if this is a disqualifying condition does you very little good if it means they start your medical discharge immediately. In that case you might be better off getting some test and self-medicating once you are in the fleet.

[JT8561]

Alright Guys Thanks for all the advice. I plan on Staying off everything til boot, then Once I get to fleet or Soi Just start with the Self Medicating again. Hopefully I should be good to go..

[nyjetsfan86]

I would think your recruiter would be a better person to take advice from then guys on this steroid board. If he said to make it through basic training without it, and then bring it up later, that's what I would do. You're not going to die without your test. You'll be going through the same thing other users go through that don't properly use PCT.

plenty of people i was in basic with were told by their recruiters not to bring their meds and they did with a notarized letter from the doc and a copy of their prescription and it wasnt a problem