I'm about to start a cutting cycle with Winny & Eq. I'll be doing cardio 3 times a week in the morning, my carb intake will also be lowered. What i want to know is are Thermogenic Fat burners close to as effective as using a ECA combination. The problem is that i'm unable to obtain ECA tabs here in South Africa (although i can get ephidrine) I've thought of trying to make up my own ECA capsules,but i don't have a clue as to measure the proper quantities of the 3 substances which make up ECA. The Fat burner i had in mind is by SportsPharma called Thermadrene