No help then fine

[ocblksheep]

If no one wants to help me this is what i found this is what im doing!!!!!

Im doing first 4 weeks dbol and weeks 5-10 im doing dbol and test e
week 11-16 test e then im going on my off cycle

is there anything wrong with that is it bad...

Can any one tell me what MG of dbol i should use in the first 4 weeks and how much dbol and test i should use 5-10 and how much test i should do 11-16

[MegatronsMuscle]

This is the guide that I am using to base my cycles off of (look at cycle #3):


http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=120894

Even the PCT is spelled out with dosages for everything.

[ocblksheep]

i have never done them before in my life

[Big]

If no one wants to help me this is what i found this is what im doing!!!!!

Im doing first 4 weeks dbol and weeks 5-10 im doing dbol and test e
week 11-16 test e then im going on my off cycle

is there anything wrong with that is it bad...

Can any one tell me what MG of dbol i should use in the first 4 weeks and how much dbol and test i should use 5-10 and how much test i should do 11-16

I have no idea why you want to use dbol when your other thread states that you want to cut, but in any event, run the dbol for the first 4 weeks only at 30mg/day. test e could be run at 500mg/week, I would recommend week 1-10. what do you have planned for pct?

[*RAGE*]

i have never done them before in my life

Whats your stats
age
weight
height
BF%
training exp.
past cycles
goals

[Big]

This is the guide that I am using to base my cycles off of (look at cycle #3):


http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=120894

Even the PCT is spelled out with dosages for everything.

You're going about this all wrong bro, why research and utilize the information that is already posted, when you can use that same time to bitch and moan because people won't re-write it all for you and spoon-feed it to you while they are at it?

[ocblksheep]

20
170-175
5'10
15% i wanna get to 5-8%
i got done wrestling for 9 years last year i have worked out with bodybuilders div 1 and olympics athletes and coaches
0 cycles
i wanna get cut and get a some mass i dont want to get looking to big

[Big]

Ok im looking to get cut fast as i can i now its to late but my bday is in feb 19 and im going to vegas i use to be a wrestler till i hurt my knee last year im about 5'11 and my weight is 170 and im about 20% BF now. a friend told me to take D-bol is he right i wouldnt my bulking up i guess.

20
170-175
5'10
15% i wanna get to 5-8%
i got done wrestling for 9 years last year i have worked out with bodybuilders div 1 and olympics athletes and coaches
0 cycles
i wanna get cut and get a some mass i dont want to get looking to big

damn bro, you've lost an inch in height and cut 5%bf since this time last night. Ease up a bit or at this rate you will be gone in a month.

[ocblksheep]

ya my and my family was talking about how i got fed on the height in my family so we got the ruler out and i found out im 5'10 and bodyfat i got tested in high school for wrestling a year ago and it was 15 so now im some where between 15- 25 im not sure

[Big]

post a pic so we can see what kind of base you are working with and we'll go from there.

[*RAGE*]

ya my and my family was talking about how i got fed on the height in my family so we got the ruler out and i found out im 5'10 and bodyfat i got tested in high school for wrestling a year ago and it was 15 so now im some where between 15- 25 im not sure

I hate answering these, IMO diet and cardio is the best thing for cutting fat. It is a lot better then steroids. You are only 20 so all I will tell you is workout, diet, and do your cardio five times a week. Homework is to read and learn. You have all the time in the world I know it does not feel like it now but it is true.. good luck JMO

[T_Own]

oh man your wrestling team must be garbage.. in one year i went from 166 @13% to 176 @7% and i mean one season, so 4 months. you could wrestle 145 if you are 25% bf...

what does your diet look like?

[ocblksheep]

Sry my Internet went down I'm on my iphone I will post thos pics when I get it back up and running

[Big]

Sry my Internet went down I'm on my iphone I will post thos pics when I get it back up and running

sounds good.

[ocblksheep]

thanks for the help i know i dont need to do steroids but even with all the card and dieting i do i will all ways have a fat chest and love handles i always have even when i was in wrestling season at 5% bf i did...

[breakbones]

Dude, Work on a diet first

[ocblksheep]

ummm i been on a diet for almost 4 months now i have lost alot

[Kale]

thanks for the help i know i dont need to do steroids but even with all the card and dieting i do i will all ways have a fat chest and love handles i always have even when i was in wrestling season at 5% bf i did...

[ocblksheep]

then i was told bs when i was told 5-7 % but u know i guess i mean cuz i have all the reasons to lie to people i dont know and r going to help me do thing the right way but ur right u know

[legobricks]

Dude, where is your muscle in the pics?

[ocblksheep]

i dont have any! thats why i am trying to find what steroids i need to get them showing and get a lil bigger!

[legobricks]

i dont have any! thats why i am trying to find what steroids i need to get them showing and get a lil bigger!

I did not mean that in a flaming way just to let you know. What im getting at is you need a diet and to start lifting hard and heavy in the gym. Its basic knowledge with lifting, you lift with resistance and your body counteracts it by building more muscle (via the food you eat) to create more muscle. And also, the more muscle you gain the more fat you burn. You say youve been on a diet for the past 4 months, show us what it is you eat day to day.

[ocblksheep]

i lost about 20 pounds i was pushing about 190

i eat eggs in the breakfast with toast and oj to drink on the weekends i have pancakes without anything on them and oatmeal and fruit
then i have a shake between breakfast and lunch
lunch i have red meat or chicken i love chicken with potatos and a veg
then i have fruits or mix party nuts
dinner i have chicken 8 oz and a veg with a potato and some type of rice
then i have another shake befor i go to bed

if i cheat i might have a pack of fruit rollups somthing lil like that a bowl of popcorn i also drink 1 or 2 poweraids a week

i have lost alot on that diet more than i thought but now it im in a stall with weight and gaining muscle

[PT]

If no one wants to help me this is what i found this is what im doing!!!!!

Im doing first 4 weeks dbol and weeks 5-10 im doing dbol and test e
week 11-16 test e then im going on my off cycle

is there anything wrong with that is it bad...

Can any one tell me what MG of dbol i should use in the first 4 weeks and how much dbol and test i should use 5-10 and how much test i should do 11-16

you just joined yesterday bro. do you epect to find help to all your questions in 24 hours? you wernt even here for a full day before getting angry because nobody was helping you. GIVE IT TIME

[ocblksheep]

no people were being dicks telling me all i need is card and diet when i know my own body and what i need and dont need.. i mean if i want to do roids then im going to do them.. i got on here to find out what i should take and how to do it save i mean i can listen to my mom say the samthing these guys are saying without wasteing my time on here

[PT]

yea but in the other members defense you said you needed help getting cut up within less then a month and most know steroids will not do that. every bodybuilder in this world knows that the only way to cut is tru diet and cardio. steroids WILL NOT cut you up. there are drugs like clen, t-3, dnp, helios, etc... that will help burn fat but without a clean diet and alot of cardio they are useless

[ocblksheep]

yes i know i kind of knew taht i should of made my self more clear when i first wrote that post it wasnt all about getting cut it was about getting cut and a lil mass but not in a months time idk

[legobricks]

i lost about 20 pounds i was pushing about 190

i eat eggs (How many eggs, and are you eating just whites or whole eggs) in the breakfast with toast (unless its Ezekial bread id ditch the toast and go for PLAIN oatmeal) and oj to drink on the weekends i have pancakes without anything on them and oatmeal and fruit (Are you serious? So your getting a whole shitload of simple carbs, processed flours, processed sugars, and then some fruit on top of it? Where is your protein that is NESSECARY upon waking? Do you realize what your body needs in the morning for growing/maintaing muscle?)
then i have a shake between breakfast and lunch (A shake for what? so your body can digest it right away and not be able to utilize the time frame that real food has for digesting? 45mins as opposed to 2 hours? Get a whole meal in there, can of tuna and oats at least)
lunch i have red meat or chicken i love chicken with potatos and a veg (How much red mead or chicken?)
then i have fruits or mix party nuts (More simple carbs...and by now im pretty sure that your liver glycogen levels are FULL.) Time to move onto slower digesting carbs WITH a solid protein in there, chicken, beef, tuna, etc... NO SHAKES)
dinner i have chicken 8 oz and a veg with a potato and some type of rice
then i have another shake befor i go to bed (So you have chicken, a potato, vege's{hoping they are greens} and rice? How many carbs do you want to get in a day? Also a shake before bed? Again useless and will just be wasted. Why do you think that people who drink shakes multiple times a day DO NOT get muscular? Because whey is already broken down into a readily digestable state to where your body can digest it fast and absob if need be. If your body is still digesting the chicken you ate from dinner then what happens? Doesnt use it. Next, what happens if you body does use it and u go to bed? Great, your muscles are being fed for 30-45mins. what about the rest of the 7 hours you are eating NOTHING? Protein is essential in your current state. Better start reading up.)

if i cheat i might have a pack of fruit rollups somthing lil like that a bowl of popcorn i also drink 1 or 2 poweraids a week (So your ingesting lots of refined and processed sugars...and you expect to lose BF%? If your going to cheat, make it semi healthy at least.)

i have lost alot on that diet more than i thought but now it im in a stall with weight and gaining muscle(You still have a lot to go with loosing BF%. Do you drink alcohol? If so and your seriours about loosing BF% and gaining LBM then drop it as it only hinders your progress. The diet is total garbage and that is why you are at a stall. Eat clean look clean.)

Ok even tho im hella tired im going to have a crack at this one....


#1 It is HORRIBLE

#2 With the amount of complex carbs and protein you have...yes, dont expect to gain muscle

#3 Break it down into Macronutrients, we want to see what your getting as in Carbs, Fats, and Proteins on a DAILY basis. Also map out what you eat and at what times. Yeah i know it sucks, and you probably wont do it BUT i can tell you right now that your problem lies in your diet so time to get serious about it. AAS ARE NOT F*CKEN MIRACLE DRUGS!!!!!!! Diet is the miracle and AAS wont do sh*t for you until you fix your diet!

#4 Look at the bolded comments in your post.

[PT]

as for your cycle, im not here to decide if your ready so i will just tell you what i think would be best and thats 12 weeks of test enth at 500mgs a week. if you want to throw an oral in then do 5 weeks of winny, var or t-bol. d-bol makes most people retain alot of water and if you want to cut up then thats one of the worst drugs you can use. it can be done but its very tough. anyway no matter what steroid you use your diet and workout wil be the deciding factor if you reach your goals or not

[legobricks]

no people were being dicks telling me all i need is card and diet when i know my own body and what i need and dont need.. i mean if i want to do roids then im going to do them.. i got on here to find out what i should take and how to do it save i mean i can listen to my mom say the samthing these guys are saying without wasteing my time on here

Nobody is being a dick, you are looking for a "miracle drug...aka AAS to help you cut AND to put on LBM. IT WONT HAPPEN. Period. Try all you want, waste your money, put your HPTA at risk without it being fully developed and NOT knowing what your doing with AAS. We are trying to save you hard times, thats why we say diet and cardio. Yes if you knew how to actually diet and knew foods and how they are broken down in your body then you will realize that diet is key.

yea but in the other members defense you said you needed help getting cut up within less then a month and most know steroids will not do that. every bodybuilder in this world knows that the only way to cut is tru diet and cardio. steroids WILL NOT cut you up. there are drugs like clen, t-3, dnp, helios, etc... that will help burn fat but without a clean diet and alot of cardio they are useless

The truth.

yes i know i kind of knew taht i should of made my self more clear when i first wrote that post it wasnt all about getting cut it was about getting cut and a lil mass but not in a months time idk

You want a fast way out, its not fast, and as PT stated every bodybuilder knows this. It takes time and dedication to your dieting and the gym, in 6 months time with the proper diet and routine in place you will be much further ahead then jumping on a cycle knowing nothing. You may know your body BUT you do not know how a true cutting diet or just eating clean will affect you. Trust me, it took me a while to figure it out as well but i eventually did. LOL now im goin to school for nutrition.

[ocblksheep]

PT thanks you for your help i know i have a crap diet now to thank lego but pt gave me what i wanted to hear and once im not them then i know i will go on a strick diet and do a lot of card

[legobricks]

Reason you should go on a strict cutting diet now, or at least clean up the messy diet you have is so you can adapt to eating that way. Its not something that you can just do when you decide to go on cycle. Start now, get used to it, WATCH the fat melt off, and if you so decide start your AAS cycle and REAP the benefits of loosing the fat b4 hand. You will look so much better and be a lot happier. Do what you must, but this advice comes from knowledgable people who have been thru it and are willing to share it with you for your benefit.

[ocblksheep]

im going to start my cutting all that stuff out of my diet asap and im going to get the other stuff im going to start it the first of feb thanks again to both of you

[Sherman01]

1)You are too fat to cycle.
2)You are too young to cycle.
3)You have no base to cycle.


Again, I have to be blunt but are in no way or shape ready for a cycle. Get in the gym and some WORK! Workout and diet down without gear for now. You have NO business even thinking about steroids right now. You think steroids will make you less of a lazy slob? You will just be a lazy slob on steroids.

[PT]

personally i can care less what you do. you have everyones views but if you decide to cycle then run something on the lines of this

1-5 anavar 60mgs ed or t-bol 50mgs ed
1-12 test enth or cyp 500mgs a week
14-17 20mgs nolva and 20mgs aromasin ed

[Big]

{sigh}
I don't mean to flame, but if I saw you on the beach with no shirt on I would never think you've worked out or dieted a day in your life. Steroids are NOT the answer for you, and you definitely SHOULD NOT cycle. Your joints and connective tissue are in the same shape as the rest of your body, if you cycle and add muscle mass that you are obviously not ready for the injuries will surely follow. Well you heard what you want to hear, and you heard what you didn't want to hear but need to hear. I'm out of this one, make your own choices from here.
Good luck.

[Dougewesq]

He will be on here in 8 weeks saying "I'm taking 500 mg per week of test enth and winny and I am not seeing any results, please give me some more advice

[godkilla]

how about you start eating 6 MEALS a day and maybe lift some weights every now and then b4 you start sticking yourself with needles.

[seriousmass]

i lost about 20 pounds i was pushing about 190

i eat eggs in the breakfast with toast and oj to drink on the weekends i have pancakes without anything on them and oatmeal and fruit
then i have a shake between breakfast and lunch
lunch i have red meat or chicken i love chicken with potatos and a veg
then i have fruits or mix party nuts
dinner i have chicken 8 oz and a veg with a potato and some type of rice
then i have another shake befor i go to bed

if i cheat i might have a pack of fruit rollups somthing lil like that a bowl of popcorn i also drink 1 or 2 poweraids a week

i have lost alot on that diet more than i thought but now it im in a stall with weight and gaining muscle

Your diet = retarded

Your training = retarded

Your pictures = retarded

Open your eyes, and read between the lines. I know it must be tough to understand, but the point people are trying to convey: DON'T CYCLE. You're going to do some serious harm to your body.