First cycle advice

**semperfi16** · 01-25-2009, 05:15 PM

Hello all, I have spent a lot of time researching and have done my best to weed through the many differing opinions. Before I start I would appreciate any advice from the more knowledgable members.

35 years old
training very strict 1 year, off and on many years
6' 4"
248 pounds
approx. 20% bodyfat
diet is now well under control

first cycle plan (mostly dependent on what I was able to get from a single very reliable source)

1-8 90mg. sust EOD (divided my 10ml by 28 days)
2-10 50mg. winstrol 2X a day
1-10 10mg nolvadex ED
1-10 .25mg l-dex ED

PCT (18 days after last sust pin)
day 1: 300mg clomid, 20mg nolvadex, .25mg l-dex
day 2-30: 100mg clomid, 20mg nolvadex, .25mg l-dex
day 31-37: 20mg nolvadex, .25mg l-dex

Thanks for your time and advice

**jimmyinkedup** · 01-25-2009, 05:50 PM

ldex and nolva both together on cycle is overkill imo. Also run the estrogen management you chose up to pct ...in other words if u use ldex at .25 ed ...run that all the way through ..dont skip the 4 days between week 10 and 18 days post sus inject - follow me? Dont let test/ estro ration get wacked then start pct - bad idea.... (you may already have planned that way just u laid out by week so I cant tell so im being safe here)

**Matt** · 01-25-2009, 06:12 PM

You should look at reducing your bf before starting any cycle imo lol........

**semperfi16** · 01-25-2009, 06:20 PM

Man, I knew my fat a** was going to be an issue lol, and yeah, I did plan on continuing the nolv and l-dex all the way through I just laid it out bad in the post. Thanks for the good advice so far. Seriously though, what would cutting fat first change as far as gains, or anything else (other than looking softer than I would lean) I have been cutting and will continue to. I also was a little unsure if I was taking the sust the best way or should I preload or pyramid.

**romo6** · 01-25-2009, 08:07 PM

No do not pyramid and frontloading is not needed.Sust has fast esters and eod is perfect.Good luck.

**breakbones** · 01-25-2009, 08:11 PM

Do a bit more reading bro! It's true, lower the bf%

**semperfi16** · 01-25-2009, 08:52 PM

Thanks for the help everyone. I have been reading posts that contain bf% info in them and I see it's suggested that I probably get down closer to 15%, but the only reason I've found is that my muscle gains will be hidden under fat. Maybe a little more info on my goals would help. To be blunt, I would like to improve my appearance before summer so I can find me a woman lol, that sounds so lame(wife divorced me and left me with 3 kids). It is what it is, I would look much better with more muscle even if my body fat isn't where I would like it to be. I don't have a belly, my fat is dispersed evenly on my body, and I am hoping to cut fat during and after the cycle. I am worried if I just focus on cutting I will just look tall and skinny for the summer. Is there any other reason to wait untill my bf% is lower other than being softer?

**MMArmour** · 01-26-2009, 02:18 AM

it has been said that higher body fat can increase your chances of estrogen related sides. that means gyno, among other things.

that being said...there r members here who have used aas with great success and minimal sides. ultimately the choice is yours.

if u plan on running this cycle forget the winstrol . it won't do much for you higher fat percentages. it will not help you to lose fat. your diet will determine that.

sorry to hear about ur ex wife. test will definitely give u sense of well being that will help you in this time. im sure ur dealing with some depression and loneliness. test will definetly elevate your mood and give you a confidence boost like nothing else. give u a huge edge with women that you're looking for.

best of luck

**semperfi16** · 01-26-2009, 01:49 PM

Thanks for the information. I've decided to wait until i can get BF down to at least 15. I will try to do this in 10 weeks which will still give me time to cycle before summer really kicks in, around here anyways. Thanks again for everyones input

**Matt** · 01-26-2009, 01:58 PM

Originally Posted by semperfi16

Thanks for the information. I've decided to wait until i can get BF down to at least 15. I will try to do this in 10 weeks which will still give me time to cycle before summer really kicks in, around here anyways. Thanks again for everyones input

Good call my friend, its always better to be safe than sorry...