1st cycle help, thanks

**younoyouwantit** · 01-28-2009, 04:12 PM

Hi, first of this is my first ever post so i will say hello, hello! lol

Ok, Me and my mate have now been training along side one another for about 16 months. I am 22, 5,11 and 16 stone with about 14%bf. He is 22 6,1, 15 stone and about 9%bf. Are diet is spot on!

So we have finally sucome to steroids lol. So we asked in the gym if anyone could get us a beginner stack. We have on order Deca & sust.

Now first of could anyone who has done this stack or is wise in the knowledge of steroids, please explane the best cycle.

second, i have read some do it without PCT, is that wise? Or would you recommend it?

Thanks all

**Mammon** · 01-28-2009, 04:14 PM

running a cycle without pct is not wise..
you need to know exactly what your doing here bro.. just dont jump on because you can get it

**Matt** · 01-28-2009, 04:16 PM

You always need a good pct, 5'11 and 16 stone 14% body fat, i would love to see a photo..

**MMArmour** · 01-28-2009, 04:18 PM

*sigh*

**younoyouwantit** · 01-28-2009, 04:20 PM

Originally Posted by Mammon

running a cycle without pct is not wise..
you need to know exactly what your doing here bro.. just dont jump on because you can get it

yeah point taken but we have researched well, and its not the case that we can get it. Its just the right time now, we are both staight headed lads who no what we are doing. we would run clomid anyway just wondering the cycle to do thats all, you read some peoples suggestions and it ranges form 100mg-800mg a week! and at the end of the day, everybody starts of a noob, so appreciate the advice, thankyou

**Mammon** · 01-28-2009, 04:22 PM

basic cycle would be 500mg test a week .. good start
id go with a single ester like enanthate or cyp but it appears sust is what you have on the way so go with it.. most will tell you that you need to hit it ed/eod but you will be fine with twice a week

**younoyouwantit** · 01-28-2009, 04:22 PM

see thats what can do my head in in these fourums, you have somone needing advice, and you all go skiting them like they done a week in the gym and want the magical steriods , you all started off needing advice, we train hard, we eat good, you get me?

**MMArmour** · 01-28-2009, 04:23 PM

If this is your first cycle then id recommend only test. Are you absolutely set on stacking deca ?

**Matt** · 01-28-2009, 04:28 PM

Would still like to see a photo, and how did you test your bf???

**younoyouwantit** · 01-28-2009, 04:29 PM

i pick them up on friday but i would rather buy something beneficial to something that's only going to be "all right".

**younoyouwantit** · 01-28-2009, 04:30 PM

my doctor gave me an accurate reading about 2 weeks ago, i don't trust the electronic ones, why is that a good thing?

**chuckt12345** · 01-28-2009, 04:30 PM

Originally Posted by MAD MATT

Would still like to see a photo, and how did you test your bf???

thats only 225lb's

**MMArmour** · 01-28-2009, 04:34 PM

deca and test will blow you up but im telling you right now that a single run of test e or c would be a better run that sust/deca for your first time. sust/deca would make an okay cycle but im not for ester blends at all. The thing about deca is it belongs to a family of AAS called 19nor (along side tren etc) and have tricky sides compared to test. You have NO idea who you will react to 2 different AAS since youve never even tried one. So say you inject deca/sust (with 4 different ester) and you experience bad side effects. How will you know what compound caused it? And with sust you will never know! because the ester blend. You might have a bad response to one ester and not the other. With single ester test you can find that out. There are many many reason why you should try a single ester run of Test before doing this stack. Also..you have no knowledge of PCT and im not going to spoon feed you everything you need to know. You dont even have a proposed cycle built for us to critique and it shows me you have no knowledge at all about what youre talking about. If you are unfamiliar with any terminology i used in this post then you should stop here. You are not ready to cycle.

**younoyouwantit** · 01-28-2009, 04:42 PM

ok fair comment, wish i had posted here first before we just asked in the gym, and when you say i have no knowledge about pct, in fact i do, my question said that "some people do not run a pct" not do i run a pct, but yes, i am quite a novice when it comes to steriods , this is why it makes it so hard, we dont no where to start, what cycle, maybe that should of been the main question. The instructor in my gym won mr universe twice and he says i am ready and he is the one who is getting me the steriods, so in a way its his fault in a way of not being a bit more informative, but thanks for the advice

**Mammon** · 01-28-2009, 04:44 PM

yeah he dont care.. hes making a buck..
how about running an AI during the cycle?

**younoyouwantit** · 01-28-2009, 04:52 PM

was thinking of proviron ?

**Mammon** · 01-28-2009, 04:57 PM

that aint gonna help.. should use something like adex

**younoyouwantit** · 01-28-2009, 05:00 PM

i can only get what i can in person...

**Mammon** · 01-28-2009, 05:03 PM

there are several research chem sites you can order the adex/ldex from.. i take it your not in the states.. UK??

**MMArmour** · 01-28-2009, 05:08 PM

Originally Posted by younoyouwantit

ok fair comment, wish i had posted here first before we just asked in the gym, and when you say i have no knowledge about pct, in fact i do, my question said that "some people do not run a pct" not do i run a pct, but yes, i am quite a novice when it comes to steriods , this is why it makes it so hard, we dont no where to start, what cycle, maybe that should of been the main question. The instructor in my gym won mr universe twice and he says i am ready and he is the one who is getting me the steriods, so in a way its his fault in a way of not being a bit more informative, but thanks for the advice

Its your body and youre responsible for it. Have you already purchased your gear? Has money exchanged hands yet? If so...how much gear did you purchase. I want to know mls and mg/ml of each compound.

**younoyouwantit** · 01-28-2009, 05:13 PM

yeah i am in the uk! yes, i have paid for them, i dont fully no the dose's yet, but he said its enough for a beginner, when i get them i will post or should i tell him its no the stuff i need?

**MMArmour** · 01-28-2009, 05:15 PM

nah. i wouldnt ruin the only source you have. Let him give you the stuff. DO NOT BEGIN TAKING IT until you post up on this thread what you have. We need to see if you have enough to even do something with. K? Im serious. If you **** this up youll have wasted all your cash.

**younoyouwantit** · 01-28-2009, 05:18 PM

ok so when i get all of it i will post it up, i dont want to start it until i have everything i need in my person, thanks for the advice tho

**MMArmour** · 01-28-2009, 05:22 PM

Good! Dont start till you have all your pct, all your pins, all your gear, id even go buy several hundred dollars in meat, veggies, pastas and supps if you dont have it already.

Ya just see how much quantity of each AAS you have and at what concentration ie. your deca is prolly gunna be 200mg/ml and your test is likely 250mg/ml

**younoyouwantit** · 01-28-2009, 05:26 PM

yeah, i have loads of frozen chicken anyway, and all the supps in the world. Pins and so forth are on the way, its just the pct that i have not sorted out, cant find anywhere

**lord henry** · 01-28-2009, 05:36 PM

me being in the uk too it seems that most sales down the gym are the good old sust and deca stack,i dont know why it may be that the uk is flooded with them lol.

anyways i would go with a test only cycle mate with a dbol kicker.

weeks 1-4 35mgs dianabol every day

weeks 1-12 500mgs (2ml) sust if thats what your getting ,per week.

am sure your guy in the gym will have -nolvadex (tamoxifen ) and clomid.

get a couple of packs of each for your pct and some extra nolva for any gyno (bitch tits probs) while on cycle.