Stack 1

**Big_Intruder** · 01-29-2009, 03:37 PM

just wondering what anyone thinks of the stack attached and what would you change?
These are the products I currently have.
I have been off gear for a long time and just getting back so this is not my first stack but my first in several years.
I'm back in training at about 70% of what I was before (strength and weight) and improving daily so this stack will be starting in around a month or 2 as I am am still gaining.
Any tips or help would be useful, especially with the pct.
Unfortunately I have just 120 proviron tablets @ 25mg

**lord henry** · 01-29-2009, 03:39 PM

what are your goals and currect stats bud?

***D7M*** · 01-29-2009, 03:40 PM

the .pdf was damn impressive.

when you did you run your last cycle?

**Big_Intruder** · 01-29-2009, 03:52 PM

Originally Posted by lord henry

what are your goals and currect stats bud?

last time on gear was at least 5 years ago but kept in shape at a much lower weight and strength ratio.
I'm at 97kg , 185cm tall. Training is going well, some tendon pains from pushing to hard but hey at 43 I don't know any other way.
Best days I was around 110kg and pretty well defined for the work I did (on stage but not for bodybuilding

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Basically I lost touch with the scene and never really was aware to much of PCT but know the downside of being off the juice.
Goals: Purely egoistic........wanna do that final photo session, my boys have never seen me in shape and I want them to see first hand. My elder daughter always asks me when I'm getting back in shape
Hope this helps

**chuckt12345** · 01-29-2009, 03:53 PM

wouldnt start ur nolva so early,, why not just wait 2 wks after last sust shot,, also kill the deca about a wk b4 ur test. (not sure if you had in there or not)

**Big_Intruder** · 01-29-2009, 03:58 PM

Originally Posted by chuckt12345

wouldnt start ur nolva so early,, why not just wait 2 wks after last sust shot,, also kill the deca about a wk b4 ur test. (not sure if you had in there or not)

Deca finishes 2 weeks before the Test (only 30 amps at moment) but can adjust.
Nolvadex I agree with you however I was looking at the HCG and Nolvadex synergy (is that the right phrase?)
What about the proviron ?? Again limited supply.
Note: Aiming to get another 2 stacks in this year

**chuckt12345** · 01-29-2009, 04:06 PM

Originally Posted by Big_Intruder

Deca finishes 2 weeks before the Test (only 30 amps at moment) but can adjust.
Nolvadex I agree with you however I was looking at the HCG and Nolvadex synergy (is that the right phrase?)
What about the proviron ?? Again limited supply.
Note: Aiming to get another 2 stacks in this year

stoppin 2wk b4 is also good.
u may not even need to run the HCG (id see how your boys are doin and take it as it goes)
pick up some clomid instead and run that with your nolva for pct

**jimmyinkedup** · 01-29-2009, 04:08 PM

if u run hcg ..run nolva alongside it for your own benefit....

**DS21** · 01-29-2009, 06:45 PM

It looks so pretty.

I think that can be considered a lot of HCG . If/when I use it, I usually only use 500iu's twice a week maybe three times at most. I would also keep your nolva dose at 20mgs ed throughout your pct and definetly run it for a few extra weeks then you have listed.

**DS21** · 01-29-2009, 06:46 PM

Sorry, I just say you have the extra weeks on there for pct.

**DS21** · 01-29-2009, 06:49 PM

Last thing, I promise. If you have 120 proviron tabs I would run it throughout your pct.

**Big_Intruder** · 01-30-2009, 04:09 AM

Originally Posted by jimmyinkedup

if u run hcg ..run nolva alongside it for your own benefit....

my thoughts exactly from what I have read and digested.
As I work for 'the' company with the big 'N' this stuff isn't hard to get or a couple other products fem being 1 !
cheers

**Big_Intruder** · 01-30-2009, 04:19 AM

Originally Posted by DS21

Last thing, I promise. If you have 120 proviron tabs I would run it throughout your pct.

OK, not quite getting that but I'm listening. Please give me more info on your line of thought.

After 2 ops from early days removing my gyno (young daft and carefree, ate everything, shot everything and why the hell would I take something that would hinder my stack attitude) I am now being very careful regarding gyno as I am very susceptible to it.
I am fortunate to work for a Pharma Co and have access to all data of what we produce, unfortunately nothing is every done on bodybuilders.
Note: Our company will however take all your data if you are taking one of our products and analyse it under the SAE (serious adverse effects - just a name for when the drug is taken out of scope of what it is meant for)

**jimmyinkedup** · 01-30-2009, 07:23 AM

the mild ai properties of prov combined with effects on free test (elevating it / lowering of shbg) can be beneficial during pct.... not a bad idea IMO....

**Big_Intruder** · 01-30-2009, 07:30 AM

Originally Posted by jimmyinkedup

the mild ai properties of prov combined with effects on free test (elevating it / lowering of shbg) can be beneficial during pct.... not a bad idea IMO....

Yip with you on that and the same reason for using it in the stack (as you mention above) along with its other property to avoid gyno.

So recommend then shifting the initial 4 weeks to the end so it covers both the bulking cycle and the pct ????

**jimmyinkedup** · 01-30-2009, 07:34 AM

id say thats a better way to go ...JMO...

**Big_Intruder** · 01-30-2009, 07:48 AM

Originally Posted by jimmyinkedup

id say thats a better way to go ...JMO...

cheers, always good to be aware of parts we miss and thoughts from different angles. Will probably go with that and can always chuck in some nolv if I need it at the beginning.

OK, off to do legs......feel sick already so I know my training is going well

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I know we all enjoy the feeling of good heavy training but these buttholes in the gym lock the windows and the toilets are dowstairs !!