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**mm2008** · 01-29-2009, 04:15 PM

gonna start my 1st cycle soon, test max 400 500mg p/w. got nolva clomid an hcg for pct. question is best way to run it for this type of cycle and money isnt a problem so is ther anything else worth gettin to for pct or to run during cycle as i realise pct as important as cycle an want anytin that will help keep gains an harmonise my body so to speak

**lord henry** · 01-29-2009, 04:18 PM

weeks 1-12 500mgs test every week

weeks 14-18 -nolva 40/20/20/20-clomid 50/50/25/25

nolva on hand for gyno probs on cycle -if seen start at 20mgs every day untill cleard up and then run 10mgs every day up to pct .

no need for hcg imo.

**Matt** · 01-29-2009, 04:22 PM

You shouldnt be looking at a cycle untill you have been working out alot longer than a few weeks my friend...

**mm2008** · 01-29-2009, 04:26 PM

a few weeks?

**Matt** · 01-29-2009, 04:27 PM

Originally Posted by mm2008

a few weeks?

Yes, 5 weeks as you stated in an earlier thread..

**mm2008** · 01-29-2009, 04:29 PM

so just nolva an clomid then no need for proviron or arimidex . thought hcg was good for gettin natural test back up but am happy if its not needed...

***RAGE*** · 01-29-2009, 04:31 PM

First what are your stats
age
height
weight
bf%
goals
then lets talk about you cycle

**lord henry** · 01-29-2009, 04:34 PM

you have been working out 5 weeks and you want to start a cycle?

***RAGE*** · 01-29-2009, 04:35 PM

MAD do we have a thread jumper here

**mm2008** · 01-29-2009, 04:35 PM

i had a tear in my shoulder ligaments in july was told 3 months b4 i cud train again but with leaving marines in sept find a new job an movin home its took uptil 5 weeks ago to hit the gym hard again. sorry never went into stats as been through it b4. 25 5ft6' 78kg down from 86 b4 injury.

**Matt** · 01-29-2009, 04:41 PM

Spend another six to twelve months training hard lol, you need it, not a cycle..

***RAGE*** · 01-29-2009, 04:42 PM

Originally Posted by MAD MATT

Spend another six to twelve months training hard lol, you need it, not a cycle..

I agree

cycle

**Mammon** · 01-29-2009, 04:44 PM

shouldnt run one yet but sure you will..

pct.. clomid and nolvadex is fine.. could use HCG during or at end of cycle but not necessary..

**mm2008** · 01-29-2009, 04:47 PM

cud u explain y u think i need that long trainin hard 1st, i know from 8 yrs trainin hard eatin an restin right that i will not go bigger than bout 80kg as i never have an belive its my natural limit. i only went above that by using dinabol wen upto bout 88kg an levelled of bout 86 85. my thought is that if i start end of feb thats that be 2 an a half months back into trainin surely long enough as av took only 4mnths out of last 9 yrs out

**Mammon** · 01-29-2009, 04:52 PM

ehhh your straight.. id give it a bit but not like your starting from scratch..

**Doub1e_J** · 01-29-2009, 04:56 PM

Because it is very likely you will have great gains without the use of aas. So do it naturally for a bit get those gains then look at some gear to push you past your limits.

**Matt** · 01-29-2009, 05:01 PM

Originally Posted by mm2008

cud u explain y u think i need that long trainin hard 1st, i know from 8 yrs trainin hard eatin an restin right that i will not go bigger than bout 80kg as i never have an belive its my natural limit. i only went above that by using dinabol wen upto bout 88kg an levelled of bout 86 85. my thought is that if i start end of feb thats that be 2 an a half months back into trainin surely long enough as av took only 4mnths out of last 9 yrs out

If you think you have hit your limits then post your diet, lets begin there lol, at the end of the day im trying to help you...

**mm2008** · 01-29-2009, 05:01 PM

i fully understand reaching natural potential 1st but as av stated i trained for 8yrs without using anything weighed 80kg at peak an never went bigger than that. my diet an trainina an rest is good, am weighin 78kg now so am looking at 2kg of natural size to put back on maybe tiny bit more.my strenght is close to wot it was b4 i put the extra muscle on through using dianbol as am weighin pretty much my peak natural weight.

**mm2008** · 01-29-2009, 05:05 PM

i know u r an am just tryin to ask wer ur opinion is comin from (y u think i need so long trainin again). am happy after 7 yrs in marines an 4 years as a pti an 9 or so years liftin weights i have my diet, trainin an rest in good shape.

**Matt** · 01-29-2009, 05:09 PM

Are you from the UK lol??

**mm2008** · 01-29-2009, 05:11 PM

yeh. lol?

**Matt** · 01-29-2009, 05:16 PM

Just thought id ask, ok if your going to do this lol then Lord Henry is spot on, hcg isnt needed, have a look at test c/e...

**mm2008** · 01-29-2009, 05:23 PM

i hope i never come across arguin or single minded about peoples views i was merely interested into y u thought i required a years hard trainin b4 a cycle, i'd fully understand if i was new to trainin or had years away from it. av researched this to the death an everyone has different views on everything with it bein maybe a month till i start was asking one last time if ther was anythin else worth runnin along nolva clomid for pct, so thank you for the help with that. oh by the way, are you from the uk? did u mean to ask am i american (marines) surely u know we have royal marines...

**Matt** · 01-29-2009, 05:29 PM

No it was when you said pti, i have a good friend who has just finished in the marines lol, i spent a number of years in the Cheshires, and god i hated pti's, no offense, i think most people did. Listen stick around you will learn loads mate...

**mm2008** · 01-29-2009, 05:35 PM

ok cheers, just hope i never come across in a bad way. as no point askin for advice if u dont understand the advice ur bein given. anyways another important part of my lifesyle is being taken up (sleep) so goodnight

**Matt** · 01-29-2009, 05:40 PM

Your cool mate, good luck and keep us posted..

**mm2008** · 01-31-2009, 03:12 PM

got my stuff today. test max 400 500mg p/w for 10 weeks was wot i was doin but he also got me test prop too. so simple question wot wud i be best to use (pro's of each)