New with some Questions

[tommy6989k]

Simply, my first cycle is starting like this:

500mg Test Eth a week for 12 weeks
400mg Deca a week for 10 weeks
35mg or 40mg D-bol a day for 4-6 weeks

and PCT of Nolvadex and Clomid after, maybe arimidex if that may be needed?

I have plenty of vitamin b complex (with good b-6)

Great diet, health, and training

what does anybody think about more protection from side effects i.e various IGF, HCG supplements, 5 alpha-reductase inhibitors (DHT inhibitor) (like common hair loss supplements) etc. Any other ideas?

And what to do about water retention? What can reduce or stop that?

And I guess I will be shooting my glutes, so a 1.5 23 gauge needle?

When is the best time to take test?

Anything else I should be thinking about?

[redz]

Well some stats would be good to start with. Cycle doesnt look bad though.

[inky-e]

^^^x2

[chuckt12345]

good write up for a newb though

[johnnybigguns]

Keep it simple on the first one bro.
Just run the test and the dbol to kick start
dbol should be run about 25mg for the first time and run it 1-4 week

[tommy6989k]

I'm 6'2", 215lb. I have used various testosterone boosters and such and weighed about 225 last winter. Then my bench max was about 415. I turn 19 soon, don't plan on growing anymore, and I have been waiting for this day for a long time. I've been researching to the point where you can look at what someone is saying and say, you are a moron, do some research..haha. But I am set on my training and cycle, just if anyone can help me tweak some PCT or any advice on limiting side effects?
Stumped with HCG , Arimidex , maybe an HDL supplement etc.

Anyone got any advice or anything?

Am I also curious on when to shoot test and decca, I plan on 20mg dbol morning, 20 before workout, and 10 before bed.

[redz]

At 18 years old it would be best to wait but you probably wont listen. Just remember it is your health you are playing with. You have very high natural test levels at that age so you should make use of them.

[*RAGE*]

^^^i agree wait....and enjoy your natural test...

[tommy6989k]

Well considering the only for sure side effect is having to do with growth plates, I do not plan in growing anymore, and sensibly speaking, having naturally high test just makes it take a longer time to shut down and faster to come back? just a guess, but despite that won't stop me. Do you have any advice though on what I am asking? I think I would also rather inj quad rather glute. any word on that?

[T-MOS]

Well considering the only for sure side effect is having to do with growth plates, I do not plan in growing anymore, and sensibly speaking, having naturally high test just makes it take a longer time to shut down and faster to come back? just a guess, but despite that won't stop me. Do you have any advice though on what I am asking? I think I would also rather inj quad rather glute. any word on that?

WOW, and you were doing so well here until this post.
There is a lot more to it then just fusing your growth plates and recovering you natty test quicker. If your not willing to research the damage to your health you are risking, then you are not ready for steroids . It's all here, go read some more before you jump. But you won't listen, so good luck

[Matt]

Its a terrible shame that some people just cant wait. If he does this cycle whats the betting that he's back on here in years to come complaining that his body and health are fuvked...

[*RAGE*]

Its a terrible same that some people just cant wait. If he does this cycle whats the betting that he's back on here in years to come complaining that his body and health are fuvked...

they need to start a forum for people like this......i want to ask a question but I am not going to listen to you...then they need to be sent to another forum where people are all messed up because they did not take there time and research.....sad

[D7M]

they need to start a forum for people like this......i want to ask a question but I am not going to listen to you...then they need to be sent to another forum where people are all messed up because they did not take there time and research.....sad

yah, it's frustrating.

but you never know who actually takes the advice on here and who doesn't. Maybe he'll listen and do some research and wait.

But, maybe I'm just overly optimistic.

[tommy6989k]

Is this a joke? I am studying this in college, and have been for years. I am also a qualified personal trainer. Anything anyone else wants to say? Or is somebody going to help me out. There is nothing wrong with an 18 year old, versus anyone else. Studies prove it, show me otherwise. Actually I don't care, because more or less it doesn't exist.

So again, anybody have any help or advice on what I am asking?

[adventpropa]

No mate seriously, I haven't taken steroids and even I can see you're putting way too much into your body; who does more than 25mg of D-bol unless they like the side effects? Everywhere you look, it is written: if 20mg of D-Bol works great, that doesn't mean 40mg will work twice as well.

20mg of D-bol and 400mg of Deca /Test will be more than enough.

[tommy6989k]

40 will keep its mg in my blood pretty consistent, recommended by my doctor. And yes obviously the more of something you use, the stronger its effects, bad or good, will be.

But really that is not my question, is anybody willing to help?

[honkeyboy2003]

i like your cycle. good post, u have obviously done Some research.

21-23 gauge either 1 or 1.5 inch needle will suffice.

deca - inject weekly

test - 250mg shots twice a week, or 500mg weekly

if ur worried about side effects, and have extra cash. then go ahead and take the arimidex . .25mg - .5mg daily for the duration of the cycle. but you could prob get away without using it and save some cash. just do about 4 weeks of pct on nolva and clomid, and keep some extra nolva on hand in case of gyno symptoms pop up(if so take 20mg nolva daily until problem subsides).

also adex my reduce your gains. Often times during a cycle most will want to allow for some estrogen, since it heavily promotes strength and gains as well (increases GH, upgrades the androgen receptor, improves glucose utilization).


If your worried about androgenic side-effects (hair loss, prostate hypertrophy, deepening of voice), utilize the hair loss treatment finasteride. This blocks the 5-alpha-reductase enzyme and stops the conversion of testosterone to the more androgenic compound DHT. (but this is most likely not needed, and adex will help with this anyways)

[honkeyboy2003]

if u wanna add hcg to ur cycle, read this:

HCG injections should be started the last week of the cycle and continued for 3-4 weeks, using 1500-3000 IU every 5-6 days. HCG will act as an alternative to LH and start the endogenous testosterone cycle, thereby increasing testicle size once again. Then about 2 weeks after the last shot of testosterone is given, Nolvadex /Clomid cycle should be started. 40 mg of Nolva or 150 mg of Clomid per day for two weeks, followed by two more weeks with either 20 mg of Nolva or 100 mg of Clomid per day should be adequate. Always remember that HCG is suppressive of natural testosterone itself and should be discontinued at least 2 weeks prior to finishing Nolvadex/Clomid.

[tommy6989k]

Hey thanks alot that was very helpful, Ill just focus on my diet a little more, garlic and such, to promote better health, less sides during my cycle.