SUSTA+ WINNY vs T.VIS + WINNY

**Winstrol@** · 02-07-2009, 11:17 AM

Hi bro,

Next month I want to use testovis and winny for my first cycle.

My target is gain 4kg specially maximise my shape volume.
I use testovis for gain weight clean without water retention and increase stretch.

Can this cycle to do? Have someone tried this kind of cycle?

1-8 testovis 300mg
3-8 winstrol desma 150mg week

Thanks.

**lord henry** · 02-07-2009, 11:20 AM

4kg can be done with diet only man.

whats your stats?

age

hight

weight

body fat %

years lifting

***T-MOS*** · 02-07-2009, 11:25 AM

Originally Posted by lord henry

4kg can be done with diet only man.

whats your stats?

age

height

weight

body fat %

years lifting

Also:

PCT Planned
Diet

How will you be taking the Winny? as it should be taken at least twice a day in pill or in shot form

**redz** · 02-07-2009, 11:25 AM

What ester is that test?

**Winstrol@** · 02-07-2009, 11:32 AM

So,
I'm 24 and I'm training about 6 years
Heigh 5'9
Weigh 176lb
body fat= 10%

During cycle I use an epaprotector tabs

Pct= clomid and maybe provinon

I want to gain 4kg clean

My Winstrol is inj, not tabs. 3 shot 50mg each, each week,
Testovis is "testosterone propionato". 3 shot 100mg each, each week

**redz** · 02-07-2009, 11:34 AM

so how often are you planing on injecting the 2 compounds?

**Winstrol@** · 02-07-2009, 11:36 AM

Winstrol inj, 3 shot 50mg each week,
Testovis,3 shot 100mg each week

**redz** · 02-07-2009, 11:37 AM

The test Prop can be shot eod but the Winstrol really should be shot daily.

**Winstrol@** · 02-07-2009, 11:39 AM

Every day for winstrol ?
For my first cycle I prefer shot
monday 50mg
wednesday 50mg
friday 50mg

For 6 week. It's ok?

**redz** · 02-07-2009, 11:41 AM

You definitely cant leave a 3 day gap for prop ever, shooting friday and then not again until monday is a bad idea. Winstrol is not esterfied so it has a short active life and will basically do nothing for you on non injection days.

**Winstrol@** · 02-07-2009, 11:45 AM

Ah ok.
If I do 3 shot a week and Sunday I use tabs?
And the prop, I shot it 4 times a week.

however, Can testovis+winny make me 4kg up?

**redz** · 02-07-2009, 11:50 AM

Diet and training will determine results the steroids do very little if anything without the right training and diet.

**Winstrol@** · 02-07-2009, 11:56 AM

Yeah, that's right.
It' a diet that make the steroid working.

But you suggest a cycle like this?
1-8 testo prop 400mg ( 4 times / week)
3-8 winstrol 200mg (4 times/week)

pct= clomid

That's right?!

***T-MOS*** · 02-07-2009, 11:58 AM

Originally Posted by Winstrol@

Ah ok.
If I do 3 shot a week and Sunday I use tabs?
And the prop, I shot it 4 times a week.

however, Can testovis+winny make me 4kg up?

What part of this are you not understanding? Do you want to do a cycle correct and get good results, or do you just want to say you are on steroids and get NO results?

Winny has an active half life of between 8-12 hours, therefore MINIMUM dosing is once a day, preferably TWICE a day.

Prop can be shot EOD, BUT if you are gonna do winny correctly, then I would also shoot the Prop ED

Why would you choose these compounds if you do not wish to follow the proper injection schedule??? Makes NO sense.

Your DIET and Training are going to determine how much you gain and Whether you keep anything you gain after the cycle is over.

***T-MOS*** · 02-07-2009, 11:59 AM

All yours Redz, i give up

**redz** · 02-07-2009, 12:03 PM

Theres nothing left to say you said it all lol

**Winstrol@** · 02-07-2009, 12:07 PM

T-MOS, your advice are all right.

I choose test pro because I don't want water retention.
But unfortunately this testo need a lot shot very frequently.

Do you think that other type of testo is better using winstrol , every a testo that don't make water retention?

The dosage of winstrol that you suggest me is 50mg every day for 6 week?

**redz** · 02-07-2009, 12:12 PM

Water retention depends on diet and training too not just the compound, you can run adex on cycle to reduce bloat as well. 50mg daily is a good winny dose.

**Winstrol@** · 02-07-2009, 12:33 PM

Do you know the difference of testo pro and sustanon ?
How many shot I do if I use sustanon?

**lord henry** · 02-07-2009, 12:34 PM

Originally Posted by Winstrol@

Do you know the difference of testo pro and sustanon ?
How many shot I do if I use sustanon?

look up test esters man .

***T-MOS*** · 02-07-2009, 01:12 PM

Originally Posted by Winstrol@

Do you know the difference of testo pro and sustanon ?
How many shot I do if I use sustanon?

Water retention is all part of the game we play, and can easily be controlled.

Stay away from MULTI ESTERS as you will need to shoot them more frequently as well
Sust should be shot EOD

Stick with test E or test Cyp, both can be shot once every 3.5 days

**Winstrol@** · 02-09-2009, 04:14 AM

Hi huges men.
I'm undecided to do a susta+win or t.vis+win

My goal are:
1) Gain clean weight
2) make max volume and gain maximum 4kg clean.
3) I'm an athlete and I need more strength and power

I don't want absolutely grow up with retention but I need to make 3 or 4 kilos only..But it's more clean possible.

exemple:
1) 1-8 testovis
3-8 winny

2) 1-8 susta
3-8 winny

Thanks you

**Winstrol@** · 02-09-2009, 12:44 PM

nobody?

**LATS60** · 02-09-2009, 12:58 PM

Whats the difference? apart from the ester(s).

***T-MOS*** · 02-09-2009, 01:21 PM

Testovis+winstrol

May I ask why you are starting a new thread on the same question?

**british bulldog 1** · 02-09-2009, 04:46 PM

sus & deca or growth hormone

**The Deuce** · 02-09-2009, 05:03 PM

Threads like this make me wanna strangle myself....

**Winstrol@** · 02-09-2009, 05:04 PM

Sorry, but Deca make a lot of water retention.
I need as quality as possible between two choice of cycle. Make maximum 4 kilos. Less is better.

**MMArmour** · 02-09-2009, 05:07 PM

4 ****ING kg and you want to use AAS? i know this isnt a spring break question but does watermelon handshake qualify still???

**Winstrol@** · 02-09-2009, 05:48 PM

What's a problem.
I need to definie my actual 10% body fat, and put if necessary some kilos.
But not 8 or 10kilos because I'm a basketball player,not bodybuilder.