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**deej6548** · 02-11-2009, 12:36 PM

Hello All,
Im 40yrs old
hgt 5'11
Weight 214
Not sure what my BF is
I workout 3 to 4 times a week for the last 2.5 yrs and I seem to have platoed. Im thinking of starting a cycle but I'm just not sure what my first cycle should be. I understand that oral steroids are harder on the liver but how deos one get the syringes for the injectables.

Your advise on both (oral and injectable) would be most helpful.

**MMArmour** · 02-11-2009, 12:52 PM

Welcome! Well for starters you are on the right track here. Injectables are by far the more quality option for AAS use.

Syringes and needles (barrels and pins) can be found in MANY online stores. The banner at the top right of this page for starters. also researchsupply.net is a good one.

23ga 1-1/2 with a 3ml barrel seems to be standard and is what I use as well.

A good first cycle choice would be testosterone enanthate or cypionate . Will take awhile to build blood levels but will build good, quality muscle. Orals are known for putting on strength but accompany alot of water retention (dbol for example) that will fade post-cycle. Some orals are known for hardness (wintrol for instance) but will only help at low body fat to notice the differences. Its up to you to do the research and educate yourself

Take special care in researching PCT. Also...at your age you may qualify for trt from your doctor if you so wished which changes the game a bit.

**SampsonandDelilah** · 02-11-2009, 01:09 PM

Originally Posted by MMArmour

Welcome! Well for starters you are on the right track here. Injectables are by far the more quality option for AAS use.

Syringes and needles (barrels and pins) can be found in MANY online stores. The banner at the top right of this page for starters. also researchsupply.net is a good one.

23ga 1-1/2 with a 3ml barrel seems to be standard and is what I use as well.

A good first cycle choice would be testosterone enanthate or cypionate . Will take awhile to build blood levels but will build good, quality muscle. Orals are known for putting on strength but accompany alot of water retention (dbol for example) that will fade post-cycle. Some orals are known for hardness (wintrol for instance) but will only help at low body fat to notice the differences. Its up to you to do the research and educate yourself

Take special care in researching PCT. Also...at your age you may qualify for trt from your doctor if you so wished which changes the game a bit.

Welcome,

MMA gave you solid advice!

(are you looking to bulk?)

**deej6548** · 02-11-2009, 01:27 PM

Originally Posted by SampsonandDelilah

Welcome,

MMA gave you solid advice!

(are you looking to bulk?)

Thank you MMA I understand the two are pretty much the same, so how long is a cycle and how much per dose would I be looking at.

To answer your question SandA Im looking to bulk through the summer as I have a sceduled surgery in october the will pretty much keep me away for weights for 6 months (tore rotator cuff). I fugure I would work on cardio though next winter.

Could you also recommend a good pct?

**MMArmour** · 02-11-2009, 01:51 PM

cycles range from 6 weeks (burst cycles, a fairly advanced technique involving priming your body and receptors) to as long as 20 (professional/advanced) or longer even.

But damn man. Okay look. There is no way I can recommend going into a cycle with a serious injury in need of surgery man. I know thats probably not the answer you were looking for but the simpe truth is that youre going to gain so much strength so fast with proper diet and training on AAS that it will likely further damage your injury. Has your doctor told you to it was okay to work out with this injury?

**deej6548** · 02-11-2009, 02:09 PM

Originally Posted by MMArmour

cycles range from 6 weeks (burst cycles, a fairly advanced technique involving priming your body and receptors) to as long as 20 (professional/advanced) or longer even.

But damn man. Okay look. There is no way I can recommend going into a cycle with a serious injury in need of surgery man. I know thats probably not the answer you were looking for but the simpe truth is that youre going to gain so much strength so fast with proper diet and training on AAS that it will likely further damage your injury. Has your doctor told you to it was okay to work out with this injury?

yes he said its cool to continue working out but I was to stop any overhead lefting. He actually went as far as to say that I could continue shoulder work but not to the point of pain.

**MMArmour** · 02-11-2009, 02:33 PM

hmm. Well this is your call but here is the main problem you are looking at.

The most important of any cycle is what happens post cycle. If you are sitting around doing nothing off a shoulder injury you stand a chance to lose all this new muscle.

But since it in october if you ran a cycle

1-12 wk Test E @ 500mg/wk
+
PCT
you would have plenty of time to solidify your gains but would still risk losing them all. I would strongly recommend looking into a testosterone replacement therapy at your age. It would negate the need for PCT, and it would also prevent muscle wasting while laid up on your shoulder injury.

**deej6548** · 02-11-2009, 02:56 PM

TRT sounds like a great idea at leased while I am laid up... 2yrs of hard work! I am really dreading the down time next fall.
next question given the 1-12 wk Test E @ 500mg/wk, how much Test E will I need to purchase. I have seen 10cc for 60$ Sorry I dont know how to do the math on this.

PCT, Clomid or do you have a better recommendation.

BTW: thanks for all the help.

**MMArmour** · 02-11-2009, 03:07 PM

we cant talk price on here but if you pick up some test e @ 250mg/ml in a 10ml (10cc) vial you will need 24ml. So youll have to purchase 3 vials. Its always good to have alittle extra anyways especially if youre new to injecting because at some point you might run up short. thats a good price imo.

If youre not on TRT then pct would for a cycle like this would need

nolva and clomid

enanthate is a long estered test and youll need to wait two weeks after the last injection to being you pct. Run your PCT for 4 weeks.

so it will look like this

1-12wk Test E @ 500mg/wk
15-20wk Nolva (week1/week2/week3/week4) 40/20/20/20
15-20wk Clomid 100/50/50/50

I would recommend TRT however at age 40. Your call man!

**deej6548** · 02-11-2009, 03:17 PM

You have been a wealth of info today MMA, thank you.
I am going to read a bit more on pct, Im hearing I should start pct 14 to 18 days after last test injection do you agree with that?

**MMArmour** · 02-11-2009, 03:19 PM

Very welcome. Happy to help people who are willing to listen.

Yes I do and said that in my previous post.

One thing tho...you need to get your body fat measured so that you know for sure where its at. Can play a big role in a cycle.

and to clarify something for you

23ga 1-1/2in pins with 3ml barrels are good for glute injections. if you are looking to inject elsewhere then you will need a different size pin. let me know and i can help there too.

**deej6548** · 02-11-2009, 03:24 PM

your recommendation of trt: is that in stead of Test E or is trt a replacement for a PCT?

**MMArmour** · 02-11-2009, 03:28 PM

trt (testosterone replacement therapy) is just a low level test dose of test e or c and it just to keep your test levels up in the place of the test your body may no longer be producing. PCT is designed to fight estrogen in the absence of testosterone and aid in bringing natural test levels back to nominal levels. If after a cycle you are just going to continue on a TRT dose then it negates the need for PCT. Does that make sense? Known as cruise and blast. Cruise at a low TRT dosage and when you go into an actual cycle it would be the blast. Used to describe the method of which people on trt cycle or how pros run gear (pretty intense shit).

***T-MOS*** · 02-11-2009, 03:34 PM

Originally Posted by MMArmour

Very welcome. Happy to help people who are willing to listen.

Yes I do and said that in my previous post.

One thing tho...you need to get your body fat measured so that you know for sure where its at. Can play a big role in a cycle.

and to clarify something for you

23ga 1-1/2in pins with 3ml barrels are good for glute injections. if you are looking to inject elsewhere then you will need a different size pin. let me know and i can help there too.

Sure, you take all the easy ones and leave the stressful kiddies to me......

THANKS

**MMArmour** · 02-11-2009, 03:36 PM

^^^^ AHAHA this guy was a pleasure to work with man! No hassles!

Ill come get you next time! haha

**deej6548** · 02-11-2009, 03:36 PM

Yes that does make sense now.
last question regarding injection site, ok well last question for the day anyway.
Is the glute the best place.

**MMArmour** · 02-11-2009, 03:39 PM

No one can say with certainty what the best place is and comes down to personal preference. I prefer glutes. Some guys have trouble injecting there due to flexibility issues. Quads and delts are also popular

***T-MOS*** · 02-11-2009, 03:40 PM

Originally Posted by deej6548

Yes that does make sense now.
last question regarding injection site, ok well last question for the day anyway.
Is the glute the best place.

I GOT THIS ONE.....

The glute is one of the best because there is so much muscle there to get the steroid into

Quads are not bad as well. It seems the smaller the muscle, the more pain associated with the shot JMHO

How's that MMA.........DAMMIT,you beat me to it anyway

**MMArmour** · 02-11-2009, 03:44 PM

I beat you.

***T-MOS*** · 02-11-2009, 03:47 PM

Originally Posted by MMArmour

I beat you.

only cause i type more and bigger than you do.....LOLOL

**MMArmour** · 02-11-2009, 03:49 PM

^^^ hahaha are you meaning to tell me even your sentences are on juice?!? YOU HAVE NO SHAME!! lol

**deej6548** · 02-11-2009, 03:55 PM

Thanks fellas less pain is definitely the better option for me....
Juiced sentences...that pretty good.

***T-MOS*** · 02-11-2009, 03:58 PM

Originally Posted by deej6548

Thanks fellas less pain is definitely the better option for me....
Juiced sentences...that pretty good.

just keep in mind that virgin muscle is gonna hurt for a few days after injection, this is normal, warm the muscle before and after the injection, massage the muscle after the injection as well.

GO SLOW, I take a long time to stick needle all the way in and it never hurts. also push compound in slowly as well

GOOD LUCK