Questions for a Newbie. Please Help!

**Skillzlikewhoa9** · 02-13-2009, 12:39 AM

I need some help deciding what AS might be best for me. I have researched this board and other resources for hours upon hours and I think I'm ready to take the plunge. I did some blood work last week and I will talk to my doctor next week for any advice. (He probably will be skeptical I'm assuming)

First some background: I am a 24 year old former college athlete (Soccer) who has always struggled with putting on muscle mass. I have also just recovered from shoulder surgery (torn labrum) and with the time off, have really lost some mass. I have just started to get back in the swing of things and really want to get back stronger and faster than ever.

Here are my Stats:

Age: 24 years old
Height: 5'8"
Weight: 178
Body Fat: 18% (Roughly)

Sorry, I dont have pictures but to describe my body, I have big legs (from playing soccer) and a average upper body with very skinny arms and a weak chest despite my years of effort. I had a six pack but now its covered by a thin layer of fat.

My goals are to be Stronger, Faster and Leaner. I don't just want to get big. I would rather gain lean muscle and stay fairly cut. I also don't want to gain too much weight for speed purposes. I train pretty consistently and my diet is fairly good. Although I struggle sometimes with eating junk food

I have been looking at Winstrol , Clen , Deca , and Anavar . I need help deciding which one might be best for me or maybe something else. I don't mind injections but would prefer orals. I would also like to limit the side effects obviously, especially the man boobs. I'm also a little worried about balding which makes me wary of Winny. But I am open to any suggestions.

Please give me any input or feedback and anything is greatly appreciated.

**jbm** · 02-13-2009, 12:49 AM

Welcome!
Your BF% is too high, 15% below is better. IMO!
If this will be your 1st cycle consider Test E and Test C!
PCT! is very important.
Diet must be in check.
Thanks!

**bubbagun20** · 02-13-2009, 01:39 AM

if you are not worried about gaining alot of mass. you can do a lower dose cycle of test enthanate and deca ..
in the past i have used 300mg of deca with 300mg of test enthanate with solid gains decreased overall fat and no loss of speed. its an easy 2 and half cc shot. you can pull the whole cycle off for a few hundred bucks including clomid and points..(atleast i hope i havnet purchased in a couple years)
i didnt lose much speed untill i started doing doses of a gram plus (combined agents)
if you are playing sports winny is hard on your connective tissue, so is tren acetate. i have always loved deca its like joint lube. it is also good for endurence.

just curious.. what does body fat have to do with a cycle.. i have never seen anyone in the 500 club with a six pack..

**jbm** · 02-13-2009, 01:43 AM

Originally Posted by bubbagun20

just curious.. what does body fat have to do with a cycle.. i have never seen anyone in the 500 club with a six pack..

Higher the body fat more prone to unwanted side effect.

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=366340

**Skillzlikewhoa9** · 02-13-2009, 02:41 PM

Originally Posted by bubbagun20

if you are not worried about gaining alot of mass. you can do a lower dose cycle of test enthanate and deca ..
in the past i have used 300mg of deca with 300mg of test enthanate with solid gains decreased overall fat and no loss of speed. its an easy 2 and half cc shot. you can pull the whole cycle off for a few hundred bucks including clomid and points..(atleast i hope i havnet purchased in a couple years)
i didnt lose much speed untill i started doing doses of a gram plus (combined agents)
if you are playing sports winny is hard on your connective tissue, so is tren acetate. i have always loved deca its like joint lube. it is also good for endurence.

just curious.. what does body fat have to do with a cycle.. i have never seen anyone in the 500 club with a six pack..

So I inject the Deca and Test together? Also, has anyone else tried this cycle? Thanks a lot

***T-MOS*** · 02-13-2009, 02:43 PM

Originally Posted by Skillzlikewhoa9

So I inject the Deca and Test together? Also, has anyone else tried this cycle? Thanks a lot

Sounds like you are only looking for answers that you want to hear and not too concerned about the risks involved.

What do you have for PCT for a cycle like this?

Test/Deca is a decent cycle IF done correctly and diet and training and PCT are on spot

**Skillzlikewhoa9** · 02-15-2009, 10:57 PM

Im not still not sure what type of PCT im going to use. Maybe some Clomid.

***T-MOS*** · 02-15-2009, 10:59 PM

Originally Posted by Skillzlikewhoa9

Im not still not sure what type of PCT im going to use. Maybe some Clomid.

READ:

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=349581

**SampsonandDelilah** · 02-15-2009, 11:07 PM

I'd stick to one compound my first go round. Test C/E for 12 weeks 400/500 mgs (split into 2 injections every 3.5 days)

(know PCT and your diet inside out)

**HuntMan** · 02-15-2009, 11:16 PM

Diet is the most crucial thing right now IMO. Don't worry about the compounds you are going to use or even your PCT. not until you have used a strict diet. You said you battle with junk food. that will KILL your gains and destroy any hopes of reaching your goals. The diet section has tons of information i think you should learn how to eat before thinking about cycling. IMO, sounds harsh but you want the best advice i think anyone on this board will highly agree without proper diet, you shouldn't even consider using AAS.