Sore as hell on cycle

[Linuxian]

This is the 1st time I've done anything other than test. I'm just getting into my second week and I can't help but think I'm a lot sorer that normal after my workouts. It takes me just as long to heal too. I certainly feel more firmness in the muscles but I think its too soon to see any gains in strength yet.

I kinda thought I would be healing faster on cycle.....
Is this normal?

Var: 40mg ED
Winny 75Mg ED
Test (Androgel 10mg ED topical)
(I don't like injections....)

[Deltasaurus]

u just went heavy because u were like "Im on Gear on gunna Train Insane" now your hella sore, Dont Sweat it. Just Recover and keep resting eating and training u will be fine. Also that not a good beginer cycle IMO or a good cycle period but if thats what your running im not gunna stop u, just how long are you planning on running this cycle?
what are your stats BTW?

[daem]

You might be pushing it extra hard because you are on cycle. When I get on, I always get a little sore because of really pushing myself.

Don't worry about the soreness, it will likely fade after another 2-3 weeks for you.

[Linuxian]

K, thanks. Just wanted to make sure.

[powerlifter18]

just because ur on gear dosent mean u cant over train

[Linuxian]

A2thej2008, you mentioned that doesn't look like a good cycle. Can you or anyone else elaborate on that a bit?

[Mammon]

how long are you planning on running it

[Linuxian]

9 days. I'm planning on a total of 8 weeks

[Deltasaurus]

8 weeks is long to run orals, Hard on the Liver.
And A good First Cycle is Test E 500mg/wk for 12-14 weeks with proper PCT.
Or If you were going to Run Oral Only i may have chosen Tbol but thats just me.

As long as your diet is in check you should get the gains u want

[Mammon]

well the 10mg androgel is about useless for our needs..
your running 2 17aa's which in reality i dont have to much problem with..i can run 50mg winny for about 6 weeks.. any more it kills my joints.
if running 2 orals for 8 weeks i probably would have went with tbol and var

[Linuxian]

I'm not very familiar with tbol. Can you suggest a PCT for a tbol and var cycle?
I wish I had done some research on it before selecting winny. After reading a little, it does seem like a better choice.

Any harm is stopping the winny and starting tbol? Should I keep the var going if I switch?

[RoidBoid]

have a search on t-bol , its IMO the best oral you can get , comes with very minimul sides unless run at extreme dosses , could be quite hard to get hold of though .... in simple termsits like d-bol but without the water retention and sides

[Linuxian]

It seems like I can never do enough research with this stuff....

[Deltasaurus]

just Search PCT

[Mammon]

i run the same pct as i would with anything else for the most part

[Linuxian]

im gonna start a new thread on the tbol/var question. Thanks everyone. Your input is invaluable as always!!!

[Linuxian]

hey mammon, If I'm on a permanent test supplement already, how does it impact what I use for PCT? Isn't PCT's goal to restore natural test production? Since i don't have any anyway, should I care about my PCT???

[Mammon]

if your on hrt/trt pct is not necessary

[Linuxian]

Well, Mammon was right about the joints!! I had to stop taking the Winny about 10 or 12 days ago. My shoulder joints, knees, and elbows were just killing me. I also see what you guys mean about gaining strength too fast too. I gave my biciptal tendon a good pulling!! I've been out of the gym for a week.

I'll be changing my workout next week to avoid pushing too hard too fast.

[Nitro29]

Man you need to get over your fear of needles if your going to play this game. Get away from those lousy orals, IMHO.

[Linuxian]

I know, I know....lol

[WARMachine]

^ I agree with my Huckleberry over here... lol

[Nitro29]

^^lol You're a daisy if ya do!

[honda450]

dont like injections, laff..

[Linuxian]

Trying to give myself an injection is hilarious. I sit in a chair in front of the TV for about 45 minutes psyching myself up. It's like I was about to jump out of an airplane or something.... LMAO