first time cycle...whats the best combo

**rush0804** · 02-17-2009, 08:26 PM

Ok guys, im 5'8 and i weigh 175....im pretty chubby but not fat. I have this winter music conference (wmc) to go to at the end of march and i need to look ripped which means shredding all the extra fat so my muscles can stick out...so i decided to take some of this special stuff...im thinking of doing anavar and primo...is that a good mix? And if it is, im pretty sure that miami is going to land in the middle of my cycle and im pretty sure i will not work out those days, so should i stop using that week? Thanks.

**Paul_Best** · 02-17-2009, 08:29 PM

Not even close to begain imo!

**kaberle_15** · 02-17-2009, 08:29 PM

All you need is a good diet and hard training, no way should you be using aas.

**Paul_Best** · 02-17-2009, 08:32 PM

Exactly....imo

**Paul_Best** · 02-17-2009, 08:34 PM

Proper diet and cardio will do wonders may not happen over night but i feel that is what is whats best. what does your diet look like how long have you been liften for?

***FireGuy*** · 02-17-2009, 08:36 PM

This has to be a Hall of Shame nomination.

***T-MOS*** · 02-17-2009, 08:40 PM

Are you serious??

Will you even listen to us when we tell you how STUPID what you are proposing is??

If you will listen, i will take the time to explain how WRONG what you want to do is and how bad you will regret it

If you just want to hear what you want to hear, then good luck and have fun at your conference

the choice is yours

**Nitro29** · 02-17-2009, 08:41 PM

Really coming out of the woodwork arent they.

***T-MOS*** · 02-17-2009, 08:43 PM

Originally Posted by Nitro29

Really coming out of the woodwork arent they.

It's that time of year. they all want the beach body in a bottle

**rush0804** · 02-17-2009, 09:10 PM

u noe wat it is...im not proposing anything stupid its just that i used to be obese with the same height but weighed 200 and i managed to shred down naturally...but for some reason, i can't lose any more than 170...i tried exercising and diet plans...not that i dont follow a diet plan, im very picky wen it comes to protein and carbs and such. And i have been lifting for about 3 years now with little or no seroius results...i don't want to do AAS because i want to look good for one time...but because i need just the right push in the direction and then i will maintain it...

***T-MOS*** · 02-17-2009, 09:12 PM

OK, what is your bodyfat % now?

what does a typical days food intake consist of for you and what time do you eat

there is lots of help here that can help with your diet and training BEFORE you use steroids that may cause you more problems,than good right now

**rush0804** · 02-17-2009, 09:42 PM

my body fat in one website is 25, in another its 27 and in another its 32 so idk...i guess we can come to the solution that im fat now...i eat usually around 9am breakfast then lunch at 1pm and a snack at around 5pm (usually fruit or granola bar) and dinner at around 8pm. This is what happens almost every weekday..weekends vary depending when i wake up and such. I dont really have carbs until probably dinner time. But if i eat bread then its whole wheat. My usual breakfast is egg whites either with whole wheat bread or wrap. My lunch consists of a sandwhich, wrap, rice and meat, etc. My dinner is rice/buckwheat/potato with usually chicken, lamb or steak. Oh yeah, and 90% of the time i drink water.

**jbm** · 02-17-2009, 09:46 PM

How about cutting more carbs.
This might help.
UNoffical "How to Cut" thread and sample diet...

***T-MOS*** · 02-17-2009, 09:50 PM

and eating smaller meals every 3 hours instead of only 3 a day

Your bodyfat is TOO high to be using steroids as this can cause you some major health problems due to the high bodyfat

we tell people they need to be under 15% BEFORE using steroids so you can see how far off you are with your 30% BF

**rush0804** · 02-17-2009, 11:57 PM

so you're saying that even if i take a cutting cycle...it would give me more health problems even if i get rid of most of the fat? Even the ones with the least amount of side effects? Don't get me wrong im not looking for an easy way out of hardwork...im willing to dedicate a lot to this. However, i did try eating small meals rather than 3 large ones and it wasn't for only a week, it was for months and i didn't reach no significant results. please tell me what the best thing to do is in this case?? I mean im willing to go all natural...but i want to really try this, especially before the summer hits. Thanks for your concern guys....

**jbm** · 02-18-2009, 12:07 AM

How about 6 small meals a day.

***T-MOS*** · 02-18-2009, 12:23 AM

cutting cycles and bulking cycles, are the exact same thing !!

The same compounds can be used in each.

The ONLY difference is your diet !! That is what makes a cutting cycle a cutting cycle, NOT the compounds used.

So it won't matter what steroids you take, you will NOT get the results you are hoping to see. Its NOT a quick fix, it is a lifestyle change

get into the diet section here and see what you have been doing wrong. Here are the directions to the diet section:

http://forums.steroid.com/diet-nutrition/

UNoffical "How to Cut" thread and sample diet...

So you wanna learn how to Diet?

those are good threads to get you started.

**johnnybigguns** · 02-18-2009, 12:40 AM

DIET is the best gear you could ever get on

***T-MOS*** · 02-18-2009, 12:41 AM

Originally Posted by johnnybigguns

DIET is the best gear you could ever get on

gee, i wish i would have thought to tell him that......LMAO

**RobbieG** · 02-18-2009, 06:12 AM

ECA stack, chicken and fish for dinner, 50 gr. protein 2 hour before sleep.

40 min Burn session in the morning and 10 min with weights. Basics: Squat, Dead and bench.
With squat you train shoulders, with dead you train bi's and forarms and with bench it´s triceps. Each weightlifting session should take about 10-15 min. 4 sets x2

idiot proof plan, even advanced do this.

**Phate** · 02-18-2009, 07:40 AM

Originally Posted by RobbieG

ECA stack, chicken and fish for dinner, 50 gr. protein 2 hour before sleep.

40 min Burn session in the morning and 10 min with weights. Basics: Squat, Dead and bench.
your kidding right? you want him to do empty stomach cardio, then hit weights while his glycogen levels are almost non-existent, talk about catabolism
With squat you train shouldersreally? how is that?, with dead you train bi's and forarms and with bench it´s tricepsand shoulders. Each weightlifting session should take about 10-15 min. 4 sets x2
10-15 minutes?
idiot proof plan, even advanced do this.

i've never heard of any advanced bodybuilders doing catabolic weight lifting for 10-15 minutes then calling it a day, unless they want to shed muscle weight by breaking down their hard-earned muscle for fuel

**HuntMan** · 02-18-2009, 01:07 PM

Agreed ^^^^^

**vic09** · 02-18-2009, 09:44 PM

I'd recommend a program consisting of cardio and weight training if you have the time to put it in.Your diet also has to be spot on.Shouldn't take anymore than 1 hour.
Treadmill for 10mins (staying within hr) and then straight to weight lifting with light weights.Legs-Deadlifts,lunge onto step,squats and step ups and back to treadmill for next 10mins.Chest,Treadmill and so on.Also recommend heavy fat burners 2-4 capsules a day 30 mins before training a meals.5-6 SMALL meals a day is enough and try not too eat too late in the day.