Need Help BIG TIME ..NOOB

[Stax_Max]

Hey guys I'm planning on moving forward with my second cycle. I'V Got some questions and concerns.

A little about myself:

Training for 7 years on and off
5'9, 165 lbs
Bench Max: 315
Squat Max: 375
Dead lift Max:455

Iv Been off Steroids for about a year now and I'm ready to get back on the gas.

My first cycle involved a lot of testosterone and tren Enth. I ran it for about 2.5 months. I found that I got too big and bloated looking. I had a crazy moon face, a double chin and I weighed in at 195 lbs.

Im trying to do things differently this time around and am contemplating using no testosterone this time around.

Im looking to get a bit bigger and more shredded. My buddy has got TTE (test, tren mix) and some EQ lined up for me.

I want to run the TTE for 10 around ten weeks injecting 1 ml every 3 days. So thats about 500 mg of test and 300 mg tren E a week. And I want to run the EQ at a normal dose for 12 weeks.

If I were to use the TTE I would need to use an anti estrogen.

What are your thoughts, any ideas?

I want to use nolvadex throughout my cycle because the estrogen really packs on water weight and fat on me. How should I run the nolvadex?

This cycle is not set in stone so any ideas would help. I definitely want the EQ. I mainly want to get really vascular and shredded.

[Stax_Max]

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[Stax_Max]

Help

[Stax_Max]

Help!!

[illwillogical]

Better edit them lab names out of your post. It is against the rules.

[outlawmuscle]

read up

[Stax_Max]

read up

I have read up. I hate dicks like you that find it necessary to throw in your worthless 2 cents.

[Mammon]

hate people who bump their post every minute too

[Stax_Max]

Any real advice would be appreciated

[Immortal Soldier]

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Im trying to do things differently this time around and am contemplating using no testosterone this time around.

Im looking to get a bit bigger and more shredded. My buddy has got TTE (test, tren mix) and some EQ lined up for me.

I want to run the TTE for 10 around ten weeks injecting 1 ml every 3 days.

Great way to contradict yourself and just for the record Tren/EQ with no test is suicide.

It's obvious you're not doing something, you are at 165 pounds compared to your last cycle where you were 195?

Even if some of that was water and fat (I doubt most of it would be since Tren is a powerful fat burner and doesnt convert to estrogen). The fact that you dropped 30lbs shows me your diet is horrible or you did something terribly wrong.


P.S. The tren-e dosage is low

[Stax_Max]

Great way to contradict yourself and just for the record Tren/EQ with no test is suicide.

It's obvious you're not doing something, you are at 165 pounds compared to your last cycle where you were 195?

Even if some of that was water and fat (I doubt most of it would be since Tren is a powerful fat burner and doesnt convert to estrogen). The fact that you dropped 30lbs shows me your diet is horrible or you did something terribly wrong.


P.S. The tren-e dosage is low

Ok bud...

I was 195 and I looked like a water balloon. And after my cycle I got so depressed about how fat I looked I started running everyday along with dieting and now I'm at a pretty ripped 165.

And I didn't contradict my self I'm still up in the air with what I want to do.

Has anyone ever tried a cycle with no test?

I appreciate the heads up that tren/eq is "suicide" ... have you ever done it or is that just what you read?

I Have a buddy who is a bodybuilder and he never use test in his cycles. He seemed to be ok with that.

[Immortal Soldier]

Ok bud...

I was 195 and I looked like a water balloon. And after my cycle I got so depressed about how fat I looked I started running everyday along with dieting and now I'm at a pretty ripped 165.

And I didn't contradict my self I'm still up in the air with what I want to do.

Has anyone ever tried a cycle with no test?

I appreciate the heads up that tren/eq is "suicide" ... have you ever done it or is that just what you read?

I Have a buddy who is a bodybuilder and he never use test in his cycles. He seemed to be ok with that.

Looking "fat" off tren? Bro if you get fat of tren you must be doing something wrong or your **** was bunk.

You don't "get fat" off tren unless you visit mcdonalds everyday on cycle and chug down your big mac with a mcflurrly.

People LOSE several bf% off a tren cycle, it rips people up while adding on muscle. Im not saying you CAN'T gain fat off tren, hell if your bulking you will gain some fat, but you don't turn into a fat filled water ballon. That shows issue with the gear, diet, or training. Nonetheless, your test dosage might have been high, so a little armidex could have kept down that bloat.

Here's some of the things that COULD happen when you run tren without test

• fina dick
• depression
• irritability
• agression, increase in psychological problems
• thoughts of suicide
• harsher side effects

I mean I could go on, but I don't feel like educating ANOTHER person on tren today plus its late.

Im sure your friend who is in bodybuilding shares the exact same genetics as you, so whatever he does will work for you perfectly without no setbacks

[Mammon]

think the contradiction was you wanted to run a cycle without test yet your going to run TTE.. which is TEST and tren

[Immortal Soldier]

think the contradiction was you wanted to run a cycle without test yet your going to run TTE.. which is TEST and tren

Mammon you changed your icon damn it lol, you threw me off for a bit till I looked at the name.


Anyway to the OP, just run TRT dosage of Test-e (200mgs/week) that will be sufficient to keep from having harsh no test related sides. You don't need to high levels of test, if you don't want to, just run a minimum.

[Mammon]

Mammon you changed your icon damn it lol, you threw me off for a bit till I looked at the name.

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yeah, thought id change it up a bit..
dont know if i like it yet.. may go back

[Stax_Max]

Mammon you changed your icon damn it lol, you threw me off for a bit till I looked at the name.


Anyway to the OP, just run TRT dosage of Test-e (200mgs/week) that will be sufficient to keep from having harsh no test related sides. You don't need to high levels of test, if you don't want to, just run a minimum.

Thanks....

Im thinking now

Tren E - 400 mg/week (12 weeks)
Test E - 200 mg/week (12 weeks)
EQ- 500 mg/week (12 weeks)

[xo3et]

Star_Max

What is you diet like please?

[breakbones]

I don't believe I see your age in your post, how old are you?

[Stax_Max]

I don't believe I see your age in your post, how old are you?

I'm 16

As far as my diet. Right now its ok I eat probably about 1800-2100 cals a day with about 250 grams of protein

for this cycle Im planning on bootsing it up to about 2500 cals a day / 250 grams of protein ... low fat, lots of chicken

[jbm]

I'm 16

As far as my diet. Right now its ok I eat probably about 1800-2100 cals a day with about 250 grams of protein

for this cycle Im planning on bootsing it up to about 2500 cals a day / 250 grams of protein ... low fat, lots of chicken

You should not be taking any AAS you are too young, you might destroy your natural hormones and worst your whole body!

[jbm]

This forum is for 18yrs old above bro...

[PT]

16 is way to young to take steroids unless your happy with your height and you never want to reproduce. your going to be banned from this site because you need to be 18 but you can go to www.probodybuilding.com and look around there if you want. you need to drop all this steroid nonsense and learn to eat and lift

[PT]

wow, your 16, you already ran a cycle of steroids, you used clen, you washed out a syringe with soap while you were drunk and you want to use an insulin needle to shoot steroids. im sorry bro but you need to stop all this crap NOW. personally i dont really care what happens to you but hopefully you realize how bad this can and will mess you up. i promise you that the day will come in your life when you look back and regret this. maybe it will be when your 25 and you realized that you stopped growing at 15 because of steroids or maybe at 29 when your wife wants to have kids but you cant. trust me, ALOT more damage will come out of this then positive results. you only eat between 1800-2200 calories a day so you can gain alot of weight thru diet alone. try raising that to 3100 calories a day. you raise your food intake and hit the gym hard everyday you will put on alot more muscle then you ever thought was possible

[jbm]

Do yourself a favor Stax Max listen to us...

[Scott78]

sell the steroids to someone else, eat better and train harder is best advice

[T-MOS]

WOW, i actually feel sorry for him....I want to know at 15 what makes you think steroids are the answer and why would you need them , for what???

[xo3et]

This is scary...

PLEASE listen to the advice PT and the other have given. You can only cause damage from taking ASS at your age which will effect you for the rest of your life.

[stpete]

I'm speachless. No i 'm not. Don't do it kid. Get your ass back in school, go to college and lead a productive life. Then at about 25 come back and see us.

[sitries]

i dont understand this question........you say you want to runa cyckle without test and then you show us ur cycle and its test and tren. Am i missing something here??? i think you need to do some more research mate.

[Mammon]

i had a feeling but 16..... WOW

[T-MOS]

i had a feeling but 16..... WOW

and still not banned yet??????

[Big]

some times kids come here that are too young, but since they seem to be good kids with a positive attitude I really want to take the time to point them in the right direction before they are banned or suspended.
This isn't one of those times.

[HuntMan]

Agreed^

[Andro9]

some times kids come here that are too young, but since they seem to be good kids with a positive attitude I really want to take the time to point them in the right direction before they are banned or suspended.
This isn't one of those times.

hahahaa

[breakbones]

It's a good thing I asked the age, BAN!