Newbie question

**johndocking** · 02-21-2009, 07:47 AM

Firstly hello, I think this forum is great, spent a good few hours reading and now my brain is a little confused. Im 24, 175lbs, 14%bf, been training for a few years on and off and do muay thai once a week (not good for gains i know). My diet is good and I understand most things i have read with regards to steroids as i have a degree in science.

I understand that oral steroids may cause hepatotoxicity (dose dependant) but I still want to use them as I hate needles. My choice. I only want to use low doses and I only want to use 1 type of steroid , I am not looking for massive gains just a little help as I am a hard gainer.

What would you recommend? Is it OK to take Winstrol , dianabol , anadrol buy themselves? Then after 4 weeks I will take clomid by themselves for 3 or 4 weeks. Does this sound right??

Thanks in advance for any feedback.

**jamyjamjr** · 02-21-2009, 07:57 AM

looks like your going down the right path... you just need to do some more research.... how tall are you?

what's your training experiance??

***T-MOS*** · 02-21-2009, 08:21 AM

Welcome to AR

height?

I would NOT take any of those orals by themselves!

maybe T-bol or anavar but if you can't take a shot, then you really shouldn't bother with steroids .

a better diet, and different training will help you reach your goals without steroids

**johnnybigguns** · 02-21-2009, 09:49 AM

height?

**redz** · 02-21-2009, 10:19 AM

Injectable are safer, and superior. Once you inject yourself you wont even believe how easy and painless it is when done right.

***D7M*** · 02-21-2009, 10:22 AM

Originally Posted by redz

Injectable are safer, and superior. Once you inject yourself you wont even believe how easy and painless it is when done right.

agreed.

I'll admit I was nervous my first stick, but now I actually look forward to them.

**RendellUnit** · 02-21-2009, 10:28 AM

Originally Posted by redz

Injectable are safer, and superior. Once you inject yourself you wont even believe how easy and painless it is when done right.

Totally agree! I`ll never forget my first shot, I was so scared and I made a huge deal about it. Must have looked at the 1cc shot of test for about a half hour.

But its so easy bro and so much safer!

**johndocking** · 02-21-2009, 11:44 AM

Sorry for delay, I wanst expecting such great feedback. Im 6ft, firstly I won't be able to give myself a shot and secondly Id rather be able to clear the steroids from my system much quicker incase of any extreme side effects, the half life of oral tablets are much much shorter.

I really do just want to take tablets. Any advice on tablets apart from t-bol or anavar so i can look into more tablet forms allowing me to make an informed decision. Im kind of on a budget but will pay more for more tolerated steroids.

Thanks

**Big** · 02-21-2009, 11:56 AM

at 6', 175lbs and 14% bf, your diet should be your main concern.

***T-MOS*** · 02-21-2009, 11:56 AM

I am sorry to say this, but at 6' and ONLY 175 lbs. you need to take your limited budget and buy FOOD !!!!

seriously you should be able to get to 210-220 NATURALLY by eating the right amount of the right foods and having a better workout plan

Steroids will NOT do you much good at this point. Even if you just take orals , Which no one recommends, they are harder on your body, and most will still shut down your natural test production, requiring some sort of supplemental Test in your system and PCT after the cycle is over to ensure your natural production starts back up

There is more to taking steroids then just popping pills and getting bigger.

chances are if you start taking them now, you will not gain much, and you will probably not keep what you do gain .

I know this isn't what you want to hear, but it is the plain and simple truth. Steroids are NOT magic!!

***T-MOS*** · 02-21-2009, 11:57 AM

Originally Posted by Big

at 6', 175lbs and 14% bf, your diet should be your main concern.

Damn you and your one liners.....LOLOL took me ten minutes to give my speech....LOLOL

**Big** · 02-21-2009, 11:59 AM

Originally Posted by T-MOS

Damn you and your one liners.....LOLOL took me ten minutes to give my speech....LOLOL

hehe I learned much of what I know from you back in the day. Educate before you medicate

**redz** · 02-21-2009, 12:00 PM

the half life of oral tablets are much much shorter.

There are actually many injectable steroids that clear the system fast it just depends on the ester (if any).

***T-MOS*** · 02-21-2009, 12:01 PM

Originally Posted by Big

hehe I learned much of what I know from you back in the day. Educate before you medicate

LOLOL you remember my old title under my username....awww

I need a new one now for this username

***T-MOS*** · 02-21-2009, 12:02 PM

Originally Posted by redz

There are actually many injectable steroids that clear the system fast it just depends on the ester (if any).

it sounds like he is too afraid to inject, that is why i didn't suggest Prop or GOD forbid Suspension....lolol human pincushion

**johndocking** · 02-21-2009, 12:05 PM

Well im 12 and a half stone (im English) which i think is 175lbs, I do have a healthy diet and eat a lot of food, 5 mini meals. I do 2 full body resistanceworkouts and do thai muay thai onece per week. Are there no supplements that could help me. I have no more time available to workout. When I eat more I gain fat.