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[army_cobra]

A friend told me about this site so i figured i would give it a shot. I'm 5'11 and188 pounds, i want to start bulking up and i pretty much can get my hands on anything.
1. At the moment i have d-bol but i was wondering what would work the best with it as a stack?

2. How long should i take it before cycling off of it?

3. After i get the bulking cycle done what would be good to stack with winstrol for a cutting?

[T-MOS]

Welcome to AR

please slow down a bit. its not as easy as just popping a pill and getting huge. if it was, every guy would do it

You need to know what you are taking and what it does to your entire body BEFORE you start taking

dbol by itself if NOT a good idea for several reasons. you will gain strength, but most of the size you gain will all be water weight that you will lose as soon as you are done taking it.

dbol is used sometimes to kickstart a cycle that includes a long ester

Tell us the rest of your stats before I continue

age
bodyfat %
diet
training
PCT knowledge

[D7M]

welcome....

how old are you?
what's your bf%

[army_cobra]

I am 23 yrs old, body fat do not know i will post a pic in abit. I have been working out for a few yrs now off and on but getting back into it now that i have time. My schedule

day 1. Shoulders and traps

day 2. legs

day 3. back

day 4. chest

day 5. bi's and tri's, forearms

day 6. off

Do abs and run everyday

I try to eat 5 to 6 meals a day but it is hard sometimes. If i dont get the meal i have a protien shake.

[D7M]

I wouldn't use that split, but that's just me.

too much ab work, too.

I'm wondering what your daily diet consists of?

[T-MOS]

well, diet is the first thing we need to look at. at your height and weight, you could easily put on another 15-20 lbs without steroids, so if you can post up a typical days food intake with times you eat, we can look at that

Most first cycles should be a single compound. Recommend a single long estered Testosterone.

You need to know and understand PCT before EVER using steroids

there are things you need to have on hand during your cycle, and the most important part is what you have for After the cycle, which is your PCT (Post Cycle Therapy) as you will be shutting down your natural Test production and will need to get it restarted again and also need to watch estrogen levels

[army_cobra]

well for me to have a diet it is hard since i dont cook for myself. I try to get as much protien and carbs as much as possible but it is hard. So you dont think that workout is good what do you have in mind

[army_cobra]

This is a pic taken a few days ago

[T-MOS]

ok, well then you need to fix the diet part first. that is 80% of whether you make gains or not, whether you keep the gains you make. so it doesn't make sense to use steroids when you will probably lose anything you gain.

there are many ways to fix a diet and figure out ways that will work with your schedule/routines

[D7M]

you don't cook for yourself...you on base?

[army_cobra]

x military in iraq as a civilian

[army_cobra]

so i will eat at the chow hall 3 times a day and get a to go plate. if i dont have time to eat i will have protien. So i dont have much say in my diet at all i just eat what they cook lol

[army_cobra]

anyone else have any info for me? t-mos and derek7m thank you for the info if you have any more please just send it. i dont get affended if i do something wrong and i get corrected. You are the expert so advice is a good thing. I also read up on the PCT but i know there is always more to learn so im going to keep reading threads

[D7M]

no prob, bro.

yep, there's a ton of info here.

just keep reading and researching before you decide to jump into aas.

[honda450]

Look into Testosterone Enanthate...
If you run the cycle do it something like this..
Test E - 500mg week - shoot Mon/Thurs - 250mg per shot - 12 weeks
Dbol - 30-50mg/day - 4-6 weeks

PCT: Clomid and Nolvadex
50/50/50/50
20/20/20/20

or whatever dosing scheme you prefer or read up on that you want..

[Phate]

anyone else have any info for me? t-mos and derek7m thank you for the info if you have any more please just send it. i dont get affended if i do something wrong and i get corrected. You are the expert so advice is a good thing. I also read up on the PCT but i know there is always more to learn so im going to keep reading threads

normally i would ask for diet but there is no way you can get food and make it yourself right?

[army_cobra]

ya there is no way i can cook for myself

[army_cobra]

okay i have been doing some research and i think im going to use d-bol and test e.

Now for my pct would i take both clomid and nolvadex?

I read up on both of them and to me it just seems like i should only take one of those for a month and then start my other cycle but like i have said before im not the excpert. So any advice on this

[D7M]

okay i have been doing some research and i think im going to use d-bol and test e.

Now for my pct would i take both clomid and nolvadex?

I read up on both of them and to me it just seems like i should only take one of those for a month and then start my other cycle but like i have said before im not the excpert. So any advice on this

yah, dbol and test e is the recommended beginner cycle. You can run the test e at 500mg/wk split into two doses per week (250mg/ every 3.5 days)

I'd recommend clomid and nolva for pct. Check out this sticky on it:

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=349581

I'm not clear on what you said above (in bold)....

keep in mind, if you can't get proper nutrition, your gains won't be as significant.

[army_cobra]

Derek7m thanks for the info, earlier on the post you said something about my workout. If you have anything that i should change or switch up just let me know. "Knowledge is power"

I can eat right trust me on that. We have healthy food here and that is all i eat. I get as much protien out of a meal as i can.

[army_cobra]

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[D7M]

I am 23 yrs old, body fat do not know i will post a pic in abit. I have been working out for a few yrs now off and on but getting back into it now that i have time. My schedule

day 1. Shoulders and traps

day 2. legs

day 3. back

day 4. chest

day 5. bi's and tri's, forearms

day 6. off

Do abs and run everyday

I try to eat 5 to 6 meals a day but it is hard sometimes. If i dont get the meal i have a protien shake.

1. too much ab work, imo. abs are like any other muscle, so don't over work them.

2. I'd try to find a way to combine larger muscle groups and smaller ones into one day to give yourself more time to recover. So, something like chest/tri one day, then back/bi on another.

check the workout forum...it will give you some good ideas.

3. how much are you running each day? From personal experience, if you run too much, there's no way to keep muscle mass on.

good luck, bro.

come up with a split, and we'll take a look at it.

[D7M]

I can eat right trust me on that. We have healthy food here and that is all i eat. I get as much protien out of a meal as i can.

This is true.

My bro ran a cycle when he was deployed in Kuwait, and blew up. It's possible.

[army_cobra]

Well i only run for like 10mins, i hate running. if you have any work out schedules i will be more than happy to look at it and try it to see if works for me? I have never lifted that way. It has always been bi and tri the same day. I have heard of people lifting the way you said early i just never tryed it

[D7M]

Well i only run for like 10mins, i hate running. if you have any work out schedules i will be more than happy to look at it and try it to see if works for me? I have never lifted that way. It has always been bi and tri the same day. I have heard of people lifting the way you said early i just never tryed it

lol, I hate running, too.

Well, you gotta find what works for you.

But if you've been doing that same routine for a while, it's probably time to switch things up, to shock your body

[army_cobra]

okay im going to do some research in the next few days and see what i can find. I should be getting my stuff soon to start so i need to hurry up with it. OH ya one more thing im not to prone on giving myself shots. What is easier the army or butt?

[*El Diablo*]

okay im going to do some research in the next few days and see what i can find. I should be getting my stuff soon to start so i need to hurry up with it. OH ya one more thing im not to prone on giving myself shots. What is easier the army or butt?

Good... .ur off to a good start bud, the more research u do the more ull understand about AAS the greater and better ur gains will be..
Re your question bout pinning...

It all depends, i do shots all round my body, but if i where u, then hit ur Bumcheeck, the more convidence u build up the easier it will be to pin urself in other places

Peace! and good luck

[army_cobra]

Thanks El Diablo told you it wasnt me on the other post haha. Okay im new and im sure this is going to make me look dumb what does AAS mean?

[*El Diablo*]

Thanks El Diablo told you it wasnt me on the other post haha. Okay im new and im sure this is going to make me look dumb what does AAS mean?

No ways, asking questions will never make u look dumb
AAS = Anabolics.

[army_cobra]

Knowledge is power

[Big_Intruder]

1. too much ab work, imo. abs are like any other muscle, so don't over work them.

2. I'd try to find a way to combine larger muscle groups and smaller ones into one day to give yourself more time to recover. So, something like chest/tri one day, then back/bi on another.

check the workout forum...it will give you some good ideas.

3. how much are you running each day? From personal experience, if you run too much, there's no way to keep muscle mass on.

good luck, bro.

come up with a split, and we'll take a look at it.

It looks like your training and diet are revolving around your environment and circumstances which although is not ideal is also not that bad. One thing for certain, you are going to stay fit and remain in the single figures regarding BF.
As pointed out earlier, try and bring your training a little more compact, large muscle and small muscle together, another example -:
Chest & biceps
Back and leg biceps
shoulders and triceps
quads and calves (legs alround).
This is just an example but I'm sure you get the jist.
You will find that in a lot of these exercises you stomach is trained so you can ease off (if you wish) with the sit ups.
Diet you seem to be very restricted but you know what, I'm sure its even worst in prison and I have seen some big guys in prisons with very low BF so don't worry to much on that. If you can get your protein in (1g to 1LB of bodyweight) you are halfway there.
OK to answer your initial question: I say the same as the other guys, go with test Enth 500mg \week for 12 weeks and for the first 4 weeks, dbol at 40mg\day. You will need nolvadex to hand (I only have experience with nolv) or look up aromasin, arimidex and letrozole incase of side effects. For PCT, go to the section on PCT, it's all there.
Hope that gives you a good base and 1 other point that has not been mentioned that has equal importance and that is SLEEP ! Without it you won't grow.
I used to love winny when I was younger but I suspect I will probably go in a different direction nowadays, especially with tren being available and anavar. Check out their profiles.

[Big_Intruder]

okay im going to do some research in the next few days and see what i can find. I should be getting my stuff soon to start so i need to hurry up with it. OH ya one more thing im not to prone on giving myself shots. What is easier the army or butt?

There are some great sections on here that will give you all the details regarding exactly where you should inject, check them out so that you don't screw up and catch one in the sciatic nerve!
Everyone is different but for the first time so that you can see exactly what you are doing and hold the syringe right I would go for the thigh. I actually started with the butt as that was the 'norm'. Again read some of the sections and go for what feels right for you. I warn against calves and triceps however other will swear by them......TIP: get everything ready, get in position and just do it, no hesitation, otherwise you will screw up.
Becare out there and if you bump into a guy from Chorley, say hello!