First ever stack, PLEASE give advice

[newbie56]

Hi everybody. Please bear with me as this is my first ever post or stack, although I have been training for about ten years. I am heading to Mexico for vacation in five weeks and was hoping for some advice.
I have in my possession oral winstrol, anavar, and clen.(I know there are better things out there, and oral winnies are hard on your liver, but this is all I have right now)
I am 32, about 210 and six foot. No idea body fat, but Im guessing about 9 %, as I stay in shape and compete professionally in boxing and MMA.

I was thinking of doing the oral winstrol(again I know it is bad on the liver but this is a one time thing for me) for 50mg a day for the first three weeks and up to 75mg for the last two. I have milk thistle as I have heard this helps with the liver and I wont be drinking untill my trip. Am I missing anything?

I plan on taking about 60 mg of anavar for the last two or three weeks.

Clen for the last two and a half weeks, working up to 120/day. It is the liquid type. I took this about five years ago and it gave me pretty bad shakes, so I will take it only before threeish in the aft.

Please let me know if this is a good fat burning stack, Im not looking for size as much as simply tightening up. Im fine with my training and diet but fairly clueless with gear other then research on the internet.

Thanks so much for any advice you guys can give, it would be needed and appreciated!

[*RAGE*]

Let see what you diet is and leave the gear along for now.....if your diet is fine you should not have to burn fat.....if your diet is fine....

9%bf is low so you should not have anyfat to burn....

what are your goals........

and is this your first cycle......

sorry for the edit.....

[ottomaddox]

Terrible cycle!! I don't even know where to start?

Hi everybody. Please bear with me as this is my first ever post or stack, although I have been training for about ten years. I am heading to Mexico for vacation in five weeks and was hoping for some advice.
I have in my possession oral winstrol, anavar, and clen.(I know there are better things out there, and oral winnies are hard on your liver, but this is all I have right now)
I am 32, about 210 and six foot. No idea body fat, but Im guessing about 9 %, as I stay in shape and compete professionally in boxing and MMA.

I was thinking of doing the oral winstrol(again I know it is bad on the liver but this is a one time thing for me) for 50mg a day for the first three weeks and up to 75mg for the last two. I have milk thistle as I have heard this helps with the liver and I wont be drinking untill my trip. Am I missing anything?

I plan on taking about 60 mg of anavar for the last two or three weeks.

Clen for the last two and a half weeks, working up to 120/day. It is the liquid type. I took this about five years ago and it gave me pretty bad shakes, so I will take it only before threeish in the aft.

Please let me know if this is a good fat burning stack, Im not looking for size as much as simply tightening up. Im fine with my training and diet but fairly clueless with gear other then research on the internet.

Thanks so much for any advice you guys can give, it would be needed and appreciated!

[newbie56]

I have used clen once or twice but yes this is first stack. Good advice to say leaving the gear alone, but I have decided to try this once.

As I said, I dont know my exact bodyfat, maybe more then nine...I can see my abs, but right now they are not clearly defined.

My goals are bodyfat reduction while maintaining muscle mass. This is the only gear I have access to right now, and I dont plan on pursuing anything else, even though Im sure there are better options.

My diet is fairly good. I stick with complex carbs such as oatmeal, and have a high protein diet, taking in about 210 grams. I take fish oils and CLA. I cut my carbs after six, and I will sometimes cheat with breads or the odd sugar food. I have cut most sugars(except post workout) and high fat foods out as well as alcohol. My workouts are three circuit training weight workouts a week and five days of MMA/wrestling/muay thai. I also run about 20 miles a week. I am upping my LSD cardio a bit for this trip, and am not worried about overtraining too much as this is something I have done for years and I do take time off if I feel run down.

Thanks again for your feedback or suggestions it is appreciated! Other supplements I take are multi, BCAAs, milk thistle, joint supplement, and a greens. thanks

[newbie56]

ottomaddox, as I said this is all I have access to. Perhaps it is a terrible cycle, as I said I am new and looking for suggestions or advice.

[*RAGE*]

I have used clen once or twice but yes this is first stack. Good advice to say leaving the gear alone, but I have decided to try this once.

if you are going to the gear you need to do some more research.....first cycle should be a test cycle and test should be the biggest part of any cycle IMO

As I said, I dont know my exact bodyfat, maybe more then nine...I can see my abs, but right now they are not clearly defined.

Best way to cute body fat is diet it is not the gear...gear really dont cut body fat but diet and cardio

My goals are bodyfat reduction while maintaining muscle mass. This is the only gear I have access to right now, and I dont plan on pursuing anything else, even though Im sure there are better options.
dont settle on just the gear you have you are talking about your health here.....i would never just do something because that all i have research and learn on what is need.....you dont even have a pct which is also just as important as any gear or cycle

My diet is fairly good. I stick with complex carbs such as oatmeal, and have a high protein diet, taking in about 210 grams. I take fish oils and CLA. I cut my carbs after six, and I will sometimes cheat with breads or the odd sugar food. I have cut most sugars(except post workout) and high fat foods out as well as alcohol. My workouts are three circuit training weight workouts a week and five days of MMA/wrestling/muay thai. I also run about 20 miles a week. I am upping my LSD cardio a bit for this trip, and am not worried about overtraining too much as this is something I have done for years and I do take time off if I feel run down.

post you diet in this thread or in the diet thread and let us look at where you are really at....it not just want you it it how offten and how many times during the day

Thanks again for your feedback or suggestions it is appreciated! Other supplements I take are multi, BCAAs, milk thistle, joint supplement, and a greens. thanks

I would not advise you in doing the gear right now but in time you will be ready and have what you need and the knowledge to do itl...


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[amcon]

diet... at 9% you want to loose body fat? i mean you could but... not much to loose as prone said.

seems as if two thing are going on here... you dont know you body fat or you dont know what aas does... research both and come back to this thread and let us help you... research first

[newbie56]

thanks for the advice. It is very sound advice and appreciated. Do u have an opinion specifically on the gear I have or stack?

In terms of your comments, they are helpful and insightful, thanks. In terms of a test cycle, I dont really see myself doing an injectible, I know its more effective and safer, Im just being realistic in that I wont be doing it.
I agree the best way to cut fat is through training and diet, I just have decided to try a cycle, and intend to use it to supplement a strong diet and training program.
Great advice on not to settle on gear, but this is the only cycle I plan on doing and my trip is in two weeks, thus this is why I wanted opinions on this specific stack. If I had access to other things or more time, perhaps this would be different, but I am hoping for an assessment of this stack, as I already have the gear.
Thanks

[Mammon]

2-3 weeks of var is about useless..
really wouldnt run the winny alone but if your dead set on doing it screw it..
50mg ed for 6 weeks or so..
how about PCT?

[chicmagnet]

Test only is good for a first cycle. If you start with the basics and work up from there you will benefit more and learn more about your body as to what works or what doesn't or what causes the worst sides etc, you get the picture. Oh and most important don't forget pct.

[*RAGE*]

2-3 weeks of var is about useless..
really wouldnt run the winny alone but if your dead set on doing it screw it..
50mg ed for 6 weeks or so..
how about PCT?

you the man bro i gave up.........

[newbie56]

thanks mammon. three weeks of anavar is useless? I only have enough for about three weeks, but if it is useless....

some good advice thank you

[Mammon]

pct?

[hellapimpin]

Ughh..

man you really should get some test to go along with that..

Winny worx great if your stacking it with Test..not so great alone...
i hate posts like this.. no offense bro..but your dead set on taking your gear, although you have seasoned vets telling you its not a good idea.

if you want to make it a good cycle..bare minimum: imo

test prop 100mg shots eod 6 weeks
winny 50mg ed 6 weeks

screw the anavar..you don't have enough

and like stated above if your set on doing a crap cycle:

winny 6 weeks 50mg ed

[newbie56]

sorry you hate the post. Im not dead set on taking anything. I stated I intended to take something for a trip in five weeks. I dont really have access to OTHER gear, Im not looking to be hooked up or anything, but I dont have access to it plain and simple. What I have is oral winstrol, anavar and clen. I simply wanted opinions on the cycle, apparently it is crap lol. i dont have access to Test plain and simple.

I do appreciate the advice, I just wanted to know if it was worth my while or some general advice from experienced people. 50 mg win ED, I have been told the anavar is useless, and I assume the clen is ok....
Its not a case of being dead set as I said, its a case of having these products and wanting to know peoples opinions on their value as a stack. you guys are hard on new people jeez

[Mammon]

clen can help if diet and training are in check in regards to losing a little BF.. but just an aid.. also its not a steroid if thats what your thinking..
clen should be ran 2 weeks on 2 off.

[newbie56]

Great mammon thanks. I did know it isnt a steroid, clen is one of the few things I have limited experience with lol. I am doing an ECA stack untill my last two and a half three weeks then am switching to the clen. Diet and training are in check, and I do just intend it as an aid. Thanks

[Phate]

are you going to switch directly from ECA to clen, if so then that is not a good idea, i'll explain if you want but are you switching directly or taking time off between?

[newbie56]

actually I was going to directly switch from the ECA to clen...not a good idea?

[Phate]

actually I was going to directly switch from the ECA to clen...not a good idea?

clen is a beta 2 antagonist, just a little background, you have beta 1, 2, and 3 cells on your heart and by stimulating them you can change your metabolic rate and heart rate(this is how clen works), but clen is specific to the beta 2

ephedra and it's synthesized brother ephedrine also hit the beta 2 receptor as well as everything around it

think of clen like a rifle and ephedra like a shotgun, clen is very specific and ephedra just hits everything

so running them back to back is a bad idea because your beta receptors will downregulate with prolonged exposure to clen or ephedra(meaning they will become less responsive and results will start to diminish)

for this reason you should either run one or the other, or give you body time to recover, thus the 2 weeks on 2 weeks off

there is one way around this, you can use something to upregulate your receptors, allowing you to run them longer, we use diphenhydramine(main ingredient in benedryl) and ketotifen fumarate for this

ketotifen is the better one IMO since diphen hasn't been proven to upregulate, or at least i've never seen evidence it does

[newbie56]

ok, thats great info thanks alot. Ill just drop the ephedrine then(I assume sticking with caffeine is ok)...if I wanted to take clen for three weeks before trip should I be taking ketotifen while Im on it?

[Phate]

ok, thats great info thanks alot. Ill just drop the ephedrine then(I assume sticking with caffeine is ok)...if I wanted to take clen for three weeks before trip should I be taking ketotifen while Im on it?

yeah, general rule is to run keto at 2-3mg/day during a clen cycle and you can run the clen 6-8 weeks continuous this way

take the keto at night as it makes you really sleepy

[newbie56]

thats awesome thanks very much I will try this...not sure if I can get some its prescription here, but I will at worst try benadryl...thanks again

[Phate]

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[newbie56]

ok thanks for all the help. not to beat this to death but I am already taking the winny, should I just not bother with three weeks of anavar? Other then postings saying it is a crap cycle and that I should take test, I really havent gotten an answer to this, and am not even sure if I will make any gains at all...again it is all I have...
THanks for all your help

[Phate]

3 weeks of anavar isn't going to do much, i would just save it till you can stack it to make a better cycle

what are you using for pct?

[newbie56]

sorry for pct? not sure what you mean...

[Phate]

sorry for pct? not sure what you mean...

post cycle therapy

read this

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=94626

[newbie56]

ok thanks