Tren or Test/winny??

**grassruts311** · 03-03-2009, 01:02 PM

Just for background you should know that I'm 22 and in decent shape 5'8" 180 12%bf. I just got done taking this stuff p6 black and gained a decent amount of muscle and I'm looking for a cycle that will give me the summer look that I want. I only have two options because I'm very limited on what is available. I can get ahold of tren, test prop., and winny oral. I was told that I would love the look that tren would give me alone since I have a decent amount of mass and just really want the lean look for this summer, but would I be better with just that or with a stack of test/winny? The people I have been getting my info from are trainers but I figured a little more input couldn't hurt. Any help is appreciated.

**Phate** · 03-03-2009, 01:06 PM

tren only is a bad idea

do you know what pct is?

**Mammon** · 03-03-2009, 01:12 PM

9 times out of 10 a trainers advice when it comes to gear is wrong..

**grassruts311** · 03-03-2009, 01:15 PM

I do know what pct is and I can't get ahold of the stuff. If I could I'd be all over it...

**grassruts311** · 03-03-2009, 01:16 PM

why is tren by itself a bad idea? and if thats the case would i be better off with the test/winny?

**Phate** · 03-03-2009, 01:18 PM

click on pct in this post and you'll be able to get it

**grassruts311** · 03-03-2009, 01:20 PM

is that site reliable?

**Phate** · 03-03-2009, 01:22 PM

it's the sponser site for this board

**Mammon** · 03-03-2009, 01:23 PM

Originally Posted by grassruts311

is that site reliable?

humm, how do i answer this and be politically correct..

uhhh, sometimes..

**grassruts311** · 03-03-2009, 01:23 PM

Well are u recommending that I take that after the test/winny i guess? Will that give me better results than just the tren alone?

**Phate** · 03-03-2009, 01:24 PM

Originally Posted by Mammon

humm, how do i answer this and be politically correct..

uhhh, sometimes..

why do you think i just stated a fact, lol

**grassruts311** · 03-03-2009, 01:24 PM

well if i do end up getting some fake shit from them its not gonna hurt me is it?

**Phate** · 03-03-2009, 01:25 PM

Originally Posted by grassruts311

well if i do end up getting some fake shit from them its not gonna hurt me is it?

i guarentee you what you get won't be fake

**grassruts311** · 03-03-2009, 01:28 PM

k well still the ? remains do i do the tren or the test/winny? btw i really appreciate yall's help.

**Mammon** · 03-03-2009, 01:31 PM

if anything id go with just the test..
do your research and know exactly what your doing before you start.. know what your taking,how it works..the possible negative sides and how to combat them.. pct... bla bla bla

**lovex** · 03-03-2009, 01:50 PM

Originally Posted by Mammon

9 times out of 10 a trainers advice when it comes to gear is wrong..

unfortunately it is true ...

**Chev** · 03-03-2009, 02:01 PM

All you have to do is read for 5 minutes and you would know tren only isnt good.

**grassruts311** · 03-03-2009, 02:05 PM

well would stacking tren and test be good?

**cwhid** · 03-03-2009, 03:25 PM

The best idea is Test prop/Tren/Winny. Thats what I have planned for my next cycle, but thats too much for your first cycle. I would suggest just Test Prop maybe with winny towards the end so you can gauge the effects of the prop alone for the first few weeks. Do your reSEARCH(yea that button on the top right), there are tons of posts regarding these exact compounds.
First read the stickys at the top of the PCT forum. Then, go to the steroid profiles forum and read the entire page about each compound your considering. That should include test prop, trenbolone acetate, winstrol, nolvadex, and clomid just to name a few. Its clear you don't have enough knowlege to start this yet, but thats easy to fix, thats what this site is all about.
If you don't follow PCT regimen you will lose everything, so you just wasted a bunch of time and money and possibly did some damage to your body. You can buy the stuff you need FROM THIS SITE and its not terribly expensive either. Better safe than sorry. Hope this helps, but its not nearly enough. oh did i mention-RESEARCH MAN!!!! Heres a good example, my little brother in my Fraternity asked me if he should take a deca only cycle. I expained 100 times that that was a terrible cycle and he would most likely get deca-dick(the kind you'll need viagra for) and told him to research here, but he took it anyway and told me that he didn't experience any deca-dick. A couple months ago a girl he hooked up with(or tried to) said she went home with him only to watch him try to get it up for an hour only to give up. I almost died laughing. I still havent told him, I can't wait to see his face. But seriously we know what we're talking about here. You can ignore us and act like you know everything and pay for it later....do the smart thing.

**laduem88** · 03-03-2009, 05:05 PM

everything should be Test based...there should be a sticky or something saying that as the title on here jesus

**seriousmass** · 03-03-2009, 05:08 PM

Originally Posted by laduem88

everything should be Test based...there should be a sticky or something saying that as the title on here jesus

believe it or not there is:

"Test beginner cycle Info"

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=355742

my theory is that most people are illiterate.

**grassruts311** · 03-04-2009, 04:39 PM

Originally Posted by cwhid

The best idea is Test prop/Tren/Winny. Thats what I have planned for my next cycle, but thats too much for your first cycle. I would suggest just Test Prop maybe with winny towards the end so you can gauge the effects of the prop alone for the first few weeks. Do your reSEARCH(yea that button on the top right), there are tons of posts regarding these exact compounds.
First read the stickys at the top of the PCT forum. Then, go to the steroid profiles forum and read the entire page about each compound your considering. That should include test prop, trenbolone acetate, winstrol, nolvadex, and clomid just to name a few. Its clear you don't have enough knowlege to start this yet, but thats easy to fix, thats what this site is all about.
If you don't follow PCT regimen you will lose everything, so you just wasted a bunch of time and money and possibly did some damage to your body. You can buy the stuff you need FROM THIS SITE and its not terribly expensive either. Better safe than sorry. Hope this helps, but its not nearly enough. oh did i mention-RESEARCH MAN!!!! Heres a good example, my little brother in my Fraternity asked me if he should take a deca only cycle. I expained 100 times that that was a terrible cycle and he would most likely get deca-dick(the kind you'll need viagra for) and told him to research here, but he took it anyway and told me that he didn't experience any deca-dick. A couple months ago a girl he hooked up with(or tried to) said she went home with him only to watch him try to get it up for an hour only to give up. I almost died laughing. I still havent told him, I can't wait to see his face. But seriously we know what we're talking about here. You can ignore us and act like you know everything and pay for it later....do the smart thing.

Thanks for the info just to let u kno though this isnt my first cycle and i do know about pct. the first cycle i did was test enth and the second was test enth/winny. Although halfway through the second cycle i got sick as shit and had to stop. Also I have read that every cycle should be test based but then I talk to the trainers that im friends with and they tell me that i can take tren by itself and get the results im wanting, but honestly though i trust the people that have been on this site for years a little more than some 20 yr old trainer. The main thing I want to know is what i should take to get what i very cornily call the "bowflex body." I already have a decent amount of mass but I want that ripped look for the summer. I've been told that a test/t3 cycle would also be good.

**Subnoize05** · 03-04-2009, 04:44 PM

HA ya listening to a 20 yr old trainer would not be the smart choice over the guys on here. I personally would use Test C & Prop for the first 4 weeks or try some anavar! That works nicely for cleaning up

**grassruts311** · 03-04-2009, 04:47 PM

I think I can get ahold of test prop. and winny. u got an example or a link to an example of a good test prop/winny cycle. Also I'm just gonna use clomid after the fact.

**Ayz** · 03-04-2009, 04:47 PM

why not run all 3?

**grassruts311** · 03-04-2009, 04:49 PM

I dont want to spend that much money lol

**Ayz** · 03-04-2009, 04:58 PM

haha i hear that! well if i were you i would probably go with tren and test. running test and winni only, means that the majority of your cycle would be just test alone (boring), and winni the last 5 weeks. running test and tren would mean you can run them at the same time. besides, tren is better than winni anyway IMO.

**Subnoize05** · 03-04-2009, 05:54 PM

well running test prop youd wanna shoot 100mgs ed for the first 3 or 4 weeks. thats why I said you should prob run test C with it. shooting 400-600mgs weekly for a 10-12 week cycle. If you plan to run winny ya run it the last 5 weeks. Or check into anavar. It works wonders but can be a little on the pricy side.

Or ya run tren/test although if money is an issue tren isnt the best choice. ha

**The Deuce** · 03-04-2009, 06:09 PM

Originally Posted by subnoize05

well running test prop youd wanna shoot 100mgs ed for the first 3 or 4 weeks. Thats why i said you should prob run test c with it. Shooting 400-600mgs weekly for a 10-12 week cycle. If you plan to run winny ya run it the last 5 weeks. Or check into anavar. It works wonders but can be a little on the pricy side.

Or ya run tren/test although if money is an issue tren isnt the best choice. Ha

this is a completely wrong statement>>> you are giving bad advice imo !!!!

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