cycle ?'s

[manager]

I am thinking about doing a cycle of primo and winny. But I was talking to a friend of mine and he said that I should do that cycle but start out taking d-bol for the first 2-3 weeks to jump start the cycle. If I did do this how much should I take during those times? I want to gain 15-20 lbs. during this cycle, and harden up. Also should I have to take clomid if I just use Winny and primo?
Thanks for the help.

[Crash]

Need some stats in order to help you out.

[ripped4fsu]

you don't want to take winny and D-bol together bro,,, they are both 17AA~~ very hard on the liver.
give us a breakdown of your cycle duration/dosages.

I strongly suggest you do a little more research if you are really serious about doing this right. How old are you?

[manager]

I am 26, 6'3 285lbs. I am thinking something like this:
Without D-bol
1-3 200 primo week, 50 winny eod
4-8 300 primo week, 50 winny eod
9-10 200 primo week, 50 winny eod

With d-bol
??? any sug?

[ripped4fsu]

6'3" 285?!? geez bro, your already a friggin tank!!

I wouldn't run D-bol OR Winny more than 6wks personally.
and NEVER run them together,, they are both 17AA ~~ which is toxic to the liver.

if you want to use both you need to split them out...
D-bol wks 1-4 30mg ED
Winny wks 8-12 50 ED
and run EQ or TEST @ 400mg/wk for the full 12 wks.

Be sure to take 1000mg of milk thistle ED for the entire cycle to detox your liver...

I'll have to bump on the Primo question as I've never run it but there are plenty of smart bro's here who can steer you in the right direction.

good luck..

[manager]

Thanks for the replies, more are welcome. I think that I will stay away from d-bol this go round. I may just stick to the primo and winny. This is my first cycle so I have been told that I should get good gains from this, without test. Do you need to take clomid after primo and winny?
Thanks again,
Manager

[PumpBreezer]

More primobolan! 300 mg/week is not enough! I would say around 500-600 mg/week

[ripped4fsu]

yes you will need to take clomid. 3 days after last winny dose. 300mg 1st day, then 100mg for 10 days, then 50mg for 10 days.

I did Winny only my first cycle and gained about 15lbs of good solid muscle,,,