First Cylce..Done Much Reasearch Need Opinions

**ninjaratmeat** · 03-07-2009, 04:10 PM

Looking for advice on my very first cycle.
I am 22 years old 150lbs 6% body fat and workout every other day for about 1 1/2 hours and have been for about 6 months now.

Thinking of running 500mg test e each week for 10 weeks and following up with 20mg Nolvadex each day for 4 weeks.

Mostly just looking to put on 20 pounds of muscle and use the Nolvadex to counter some of the post testosterone effects. Please let me know what you think of this for a first cycle.

Was originally thinking of throwing in 3 or 4 weeks of Dianabol but seeing as this is my first cycle I would prefer to see how this goes first.

**Phate** · 03-07-2009, 04:10 PM

what's your height?
how do you know you're 6%bf, i doubt it

**ninjaratmeat** · 03-07-2009, 04:17 PM

Because I have been between 4-6% body fat my whole life I am 6 foot tall and 150 lbs so id say that is pretty easy to believe.

**Phate** · 03-07-2009, 04:20 PM

Originally Posted by ninjaratmeat

Because I have been between 4-6% body fat my whole life I am 6 foot tall and 150 lbs so id say that is pretty easy to believe.

aww, then i do believe it, but i also KNOW that you aren't ready for AS yet, i would bet you have a diet problem

write out your diet in detail, or write down everything you eat tomorrow and post it and we'll get to work on it, without a spot on diet all the AS in the world won't help you

**peachfuzz** · 03-07-2009, 04:22 PM

have you read through the educational threads?

**ninjaratmeat** · 03-07-2009, 04:31 PM

Ahh sorry forgot diet. I don't know the exact intake of specifics like protein and what not, but I eat 3 meals a day always a protein a carb and a veggie side. Occasionaly throw in a salad or yogurt for a snake in between meals. Never drink soda stick strictly to water and green tea. Also not sure if it is any concern to the cycle but I do supplement 50mg Zinc everyday with a meal and 5mg of Creatine Monohydrate twice a day. I believe that I am ready to begin a cycle main thing I am wondering is if it would be smart to start with a lower mg of the test and if i could get by with just 10mg Nolvadex a day for 4 weeks for my PCT or if you would reccomend the 20mg. I have 2 10 ml vials 250 mg per ml test e and 2 packs of 10mg Nolvadex 30 tabs per pack.

**daem** · 03-07-2009, 04:33 PM

Bro, you are a stringbean at 150lbs / 6 ft. You need to add some quality mass with great diet / hard work before you have any reason to get near steroids.

3 meals a day? Give me a break...You wonder why you are small, it's not that difficult to see your diet is shit.

Back to the drawing board.

**Breggin** · 03-07-2009, 04:38 PM

Does somebody have Big's Diet thread handy??????

**Breggin** · 03-07-2009, 04:41 PM

Here it is... No offense bro. http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...ght=Diet+sucks

**ninjaratmeat** · 03-07-2009, 04:42 PM

Well thank you for the advice even as cynical as it is. However I am a stringbean and I have tried very hard adding mass the natural way supplementing creatine and working out like an addict I just cant seem to ever put on more then ten pounds of solid weight. Also you may think my diet is crap at three meals a day but you should see the portions I eat and I have discussed my diet several times with my doctor who has a PHd and he seems to think that it is an excellent diet for me. As much as I do appreciate the advice I can't help but get the feeling that you are coming at me hard because I am a noob to this. However I have invested more than 30 hours of research into this and discussed it with my doc pretty thouroghly as best I can without fully disclosing to him that I plan to partake in an illegal activity. So if I could just get a straight forward answer to my questions I would appreciate it very much.

**KingJames23** · 03-07-2009, 04:44 PM

Originally Posted by ninjaratmeat

Ahh sorry forgot diet. I don't know the exact intake of specifics like protein and what not, but I eat 3 meals a day always a protein a carb and a veggie side. Occasionaly throw in a salad or yogurt for a snake in between meals. Never drink soda stick strictly to water and green tea. Also not sure if it is any concern to the cycle but I do supplement 50mg Zinc everyday with a meal and 5mg of Creatine Monohydrate twice a day. I believe that I am ready to begin a cycle main thing I am wondering is if it would be smart to start with a lower mg of the test and if i could get by with just 10mg Nolvadex a day for 4 weeks for my PCT or if you would reccomend the 20mg. I have 2 10 ml vials 250 mg per ml test e and 2 packs of 10mg Nolvadex 30 tabs per pack.

Your diet just isn't getting it done. Im the same age man. I was born with good genes and all that but diet is what will take you over the top. You need to eat 7 meals a day. Ive gained 20 pounds of the past 6 months because I have learned to eat well and eat all the time. Even in my classes ive always got something in my mouth.

**Breggin** · 03-07-2009, 04:45 PM

Is your Dr. a powerlifter or bodybuilder?

**peachfuzz** · 03-07-2009, 04:46 PM

I suggest spending a little more time doing your homework. what are steroids gonna do for you if your not providing your body with what it needs to grow? nothing.

learn to diet properly. you will not build lean muscle on three meals a day. period.

**Breggin** · 03-07-2009, 04:48 PM

Sorry to keep cutting and pasting threads but you should really check this diet out my ninja... http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...ighlight=Milos

***D7M*** · 03-07-2009, 04:48 PM

bro, don't take offense to any of this

3 meals a day ain't gonna cut it. I eat 7. You need to eat more clean food. period.

you can start here to research diet possibilities:

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=113010

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=323516

**ninjaratmeat** · 03-07-2009, 04:49 PM

Yes believe it or not my doctor is a bodybuilder and a personal trainer. He doesn't use roids but he gets it done the old fashoined way. Also I have tried the diet of it a butt ton all the time and yeah it makes me put on about 5 extra lbs 4 of which is fat and thats after about 4 months. Just want to know is 500mg of test e a week too much for my body weight and also is Nolvadex a good PCT for Test and is 20mg a day for 4 weeks enough.

**stpete** · 03-07-2009, 04:50 PM

Don't take it personal man. Everyone with stats like yours is pretty much treated the same cause first, you're too young. And second, your diet needs work. Post up that diet for us to look at. I know you said that you don't know the specifics but give it a shot anyway.

**daem** · 03-07-2009, 04:52 PM

Originally Posted by ninjaratmeat

Well thank you for the advice even as cynical as it is. However I am a stringbean and I have tried very hard adding mass the natural way supplementing creatine and working out like an addict I just cant seem to ever put on more then ten pounds of solid weight. Also you may think my diet is crap at three meals a day but you should see the portions I eat and I have discussed my diet several times with my doctor who has a PHd and he seems to think that it is an excellent diet for me. As much as I do appreciate the advice I can't help but get the feeling that you are coming at me hard because I am a noob to this. However I have invested more than 30 hours of research into this and discussed it with my doc pretty thouroghly as best I can without fully disclosing to him that I plan to partake in an illegal activity. So if I could just get a straight forward answer to my questions I would appreciate it very much.

Bro, you are missing the point entirely about your diet.

I don't care about the "portions" you are eating...If you understand anything about sports nutrition and the timing of meals as well as the combinations of protein + fat and protein + carbs, you could gain mass naturally.

Your doctor is a moron, you are a moron for taking his advice, and 30 hours of research is nothing.

You need to get 3000 calories a day split over 6 meals, with 50-60g of protein in each one.

I suggest you take some more time to research nutrition and diets that have worked for others. If you start mimicing diets that get you the calories you need and have a nice split of macronutrients, I guarantee you'll start gaining lean mass.

But what would I know?

**ninjaratmeat** · 03-07-2009, 04:53 PM

Guys I really do appreciate all the help and honestly you wouldn't understand my diet situation unless you were in my shoes, but trust me I eat a lot, and by a lot I mean all the time. My bro is over 200lbs and I easily eat over 2 /12 times what he does a day and gain no weight while he bitches because he gains weight. I have been skinny my whole life because I have a very fast metabolism I eat a full meal and 20 minutes later I'm hungry again and eat again. I know my diet may not seem like the greatest for this but I truly feel that I am ready to try out a 10 week cycle at fairly low dose and if nothing else it should help stimulate my apetite even more to help with gains. So please looking past my diet could I just have some advice on wether the cycle is decently solid or not.

**Mammon** · 03-07-2009, 04:56 PM

i agree.. need to work on the diet..

as for your questions.. 500mg test only is a good start and the nolvadex only for pct is subpar imo.. need to work on that

**daem** · 03-07-2009, 04:56 PM

I'm done with this...Get on with your 10 week cycle and let us know how it goes then.

Clearly you've exhausted all your options, so you must be ready!!!!

Cheers.

**peachfuzz** · 03-07-2009, 04:57 PM

Originally Posted by ninjaratmeat

Yes believe it or not my doctor is a bodybuilder and a personal trainer. He doesn't use roids but he gets it done the old fashoined way. Also I have tried the diet of it a butt ton all the time and yeah it makes me put on about 5 extra lbs 4 of which is fat and thats after about 4 months. Just want to know is 500mg of test e a week too much for my body weight and also is Nolvadex a good PCT for Test and is 20mg a day for 4 weeks enough.

Yes

and

No

again ill ask, what exactly do you think steroids are gonna do for you. how is testosterone going to make you bigger?

**ninjaratmeat** · 03-07-2009, 04:57 PM

Couldnt tell exactly but I would say that I get at least 60-100g protein at least 6 times a day base off looking at the amounts of it in the foods I have been eating. Carbs I couldn't even begin to guess but I kinow I get a lot. Trust me a really do eat a lot more then you all seem to think. Maybe my diet may not be exactly what it should but hey thats why I'm asking the advice but I don't think that it can't be fixed and that it would be a terrible thing for me to try one 10 week cycle of test e.

**peachfuzz** · 03-07-2009, 04:58 PM

so earlier you said your eating 3 meals a day. now your eating 6 times a day?

your only fooling yourself.

**daem** · 03-07-2009, 04:59 PM

Originally Posted by ninjaratmeat

Couldnt tell exactly but I would say that I get at least 60-100g protein at least 6 times a day base off looking at the amounts of it in the foods I have been eating. Carbs I couldn't even begin to guess but I kinow I get a lot. Trust me a really do eat a lot more then you all seem to think. Maybe my diet may not be exactly what it should but hey thats why I'm asking the advice but I don't think that it can't be fixed and that it would be a terrible thing for me to try one 10 week cycle of test e.

Wait a second, a minute ago it was you eat HUGE portions 3x per day.

Now you are claiming 60-100g of protein at least 6 times a day.

Which one is it kid?

**ninjaratmeat** · 03-07-2009, 04:59 PM

I'm not expecting it to make me bigger by no means do I think this to be a miracle cure or even to add 5lbs of muscle that I retain by the end but I believe that it will help to give me the extra boost to eat more lift harder and help me to make my gains naturally.

Mammon thank you for the response to the questions. So 500mg is a good starter amount for the Test E and obviously the Nolvadex isn't going to cut it for PCT so what would you reccomend for the PCT. Name amount and length if you wouldn't mind.

**Immortal Soldier** · 03-07-2009, 05:01 PM

Originally Posted by KingJames23

Your diet just isn't getting it done. Im the same age man. I was born with good genes and all that but diet is what will take you over the top. You need to eat 7 meals a day. Ive gained 20 pounds of the past 6 months because I have learned to eat well and eat all the time. Even in my classes ive always got something in my mouth.

Bad choice of words

**Breggin** · 03-07-2009, 05:02 PM

Didn't you say you ate 3 meals a day? 60 X 6 meals 360 gms protein. 6 X 100 600 gms of protein. Give us an example of your diet: What did you eat yesterday? itemize it for us.

**ninjaratmeat** · 03-07-2009, 05:02 PM

I know and it's actually six i just figured if i said my real diet at the start I would be nagged about eating like a pig but apparently it is better. I try to always eat meats fish and anything with a good amount of protein all day long and always take on a healthy portion of carbs along with it in order to maintain the energy to breakdown the protein and put it to proper use. sorry for the half truth but i didnt want to be ridiculed for eating like a fat junkie

**Breggin** · 03-07-2009, 05:02 PM

Damn I type slow...........

**Mammon** · 03-07-2009, 05:03 PM

check out pheednos pct in the pct forum..

honestly think you will be disappointed with the results tho if your diet isnt in check..
the info you are being given is solid..

if you post up your diet there are people here that can tweak it for you or put something together.. some good guys here.. not their first rodeo..

**Breggin** · 03-07-2009, 05:04 PM

You have done research, yet you thought you would be nagged about 6 meals a day... I don't mean to nag...

**peachfuzz** · 03-07-2009, 05:05 PM

so your taking steroids to motivate you.

why didnt i think of that?

and by saying so you are admitting that you can...

eat more lift harder and help me to make my gains naturally.

**Phate** · 03-07-2009, 05:10 PM

Originally Posted by ninjaratmeat

I know and it's actually six i just figured if i said my real diet at the start I would be nagged about eating like a pig but apparently it is better. I try to always eat meats fish and anything with a good amount of protein all day long and always take on a healthy portion of carbs along with it in order to maintain the energy to breakdown the protein and put it to proper use. sorry for the half truth but i didnt want to be ridiculed for eating like a fat junkie

how about posting EVERYTHING you eat tomorrow and let us be the judge of your diet, include amounts as well

***D7M*** · 03-07-2009, 05:12 PM

Originally Posted by Mammon

honestly think you will be disappointed with the results tho if your diet isnt in check..

exactly!

**ninjaratmeat** · 03-07-2009, 05:14 PM

Sorry I asked guys just wanted some advice but for reals you aren't helping me one bit. Obviously I need to work on my diet some more before I start however I have gotten that down so obviously I'm going to do that however now that we are past that I would like some advice for a good begging cycle with Test E possibly some D-bol and then a good PCT. Please post full cycle with names amounts and lengths. I'm not going to start a cycle yet but I would like to know what I will need to start a good cycle once I do get diet straitened out. Sorry for all the trouble thank you much.

***D7M*** · 03-07-2009, 05:16 PM

Originally Posted by ninjaratmeat

Sorry I asked guys just wanted some advice but for reals you aren't helping me one bit.

honestly, bro, we are helping you out.

I wish I had spent more time learning about diet and nutrition at your age, I wasted alot of time not really knowing what I was doing in terms of diet.

**Mammon** · 03-07-2009, 05:17 PM

well the thing is we are not gonna spoon feed you the information.. its all here.. need to do some research on your own.. hard to give advice to someone not willing to put in the time doing some research on their own.. most of us have spent years learning this stuff..
once you put something together including anti-e's and pct post it up and we will take a look at it.

**ninjaratmeat** · 03-07-2009, 05:18 PM

So if you could please help me out a bit and give me a better diet plan and possibly a good starter cycle for when I do decide to take a run at it.

**peachfuzz** · 03-07-2009, 05:19 PM

Originally Posted by Breggin

You have done research, yet you thought you would be nagged about 6 meals a day... I don't mean to nag...

honestly.

I thought he said his diet was evaluated by his doctor.

but hes worried about it being ridiculed by the very guys who's advice he is disregarding.

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