3rd cycle refresher

**sonysucks** · 03-07-2009, 05:16 PM

Howdy all. 40+ guy thinking about the ingredients for the next set of good results.
Many of you chimed in on my last cycle with pics ...it went well. Netted about an 8 lb gain while dropping 3 inches off my waist...No hulk,but thats not the desire or the goal for this 40 year old.
I am 5'9" and now weigh only 175 lbs...which is looking good on me....the wife loves it. I got down to about 12-13 % bf, and I was very happy with the cut look of my arms ,shoulders and chest...but my lower ab held on to the bit of flab that kept my lower abs from showing through. Last cycles results were a result of much improved knowledge and application of needed diet changes.
However....I did not eat enough...should have /could have ate more and put on more muscle...but I was so afraid of ending the cycle heavy...trim was what I wanted.
I went in about 15-18 % bf that time ...and this time I am entering a cycle at my new 12-13 % so I will not be so afraid of eating....this time I can put on some size and still come out at 12% ish...but I need help to get that last roll off. here is the pic of me so you can see the look that makes me happy....just want to add a touch more size in the chest and get those abs out.
The last cycle was test e at 500mg a week shot 2xweek for 13 weeks,and anavar at 50mg for the last 8 weeks. pct as suggested here with a little adex added eod right from the 4th week through. No serious sides...just a few shoulder pimples.

So the expereince was good ,but I under ate...but achieved a look that was ,for me, a great result....this time I need a little better result, I want to try to achieve a 10% bf where the abs are more evident. Diet ,diet ,diet...I am good with that...thinking about 3500 cals for week 2 -8 then the last 2 weeks cutting that back to about 2000. Trusting this with cardio bieng upped to 45 minutes a day(as compared to just my normal 30) will push me past this plateau where I can not shake the ab fat.
My thoughts are leading to test e at 500mg a week shot 2 x a week and some var at 50 mg for the last 6 weeks...so very similar to my last cycle...here is where I need help. What else is suggested to aid in this cutting cycle. Tren sounds good,but may not be wise yet...I dont know enough about my tolerances.(like when I learned that winny is tough for me to take due to my shoulders and hands aching) but it does seem tempting...is it something I could add at a lower dosage of 2-300 mg a week and get some benefits without too bad of sides? That would be good...and if if gets tough on me..I can dump it...
Or should I use deca?
Anyways you guys tell me what you think...
I have clen -t3 on hand also which I have read should be taken while on cycle to prevent wasting....so that is in the plan also.
Long winded yeah, I know ,but if I want quality advice ...it requires you having the info...
Cheers.

**sonysucks** · 03-07-2009, 05:19 PM

The back looked leaner then the front...help me shake that ab flab...I can apply the sweat ,but I can not be sure what to mix with my determination...thanks again.
Cheers.

**JiGGaMaN** · 03-07-2009, 05:20 PM

that was a very erotic picture. already saved to my hard drive. but seriously, are you standing in a sink?

next cycle? you want to do short esters or long esters or do you care which?

**sonysucks** · 03-07-2009, 05:24 PM

long...hey I was a copltete fainter pin phobic....rememebr my thread "manning up" when I went eod for a month.....
2 x a weeks is my max tolrance.
Secondly...erotic...ha...you should see the pics of my wife taken in that same spot....Ha, I am standing on the floor in front of the tub.

**JiGGaMaN** · 03-07-2009, 05:26 PM

Originally Posted by sonysucks

long...hey I was a copltete fainter pin phobic....rememebr my thread "manning up" when I went eod for a month.....
2 x a weeks is my max tolrance.
Secondly...erotic...ha...you should see the pics of my wife taken in that same spot....Ha, I am standing on the floor in front of the tub.

well ill need you to post some up so i can recommend her a cycle lol. i totally understand the fear of short esters. you end up with the wrong gear it will be painful as hell. anyway if you wanna cut up why not try some masteron enanthate in the next one. ive been wanting to try it soon myself.

**sonysucks** · 03-07-2009, 05:58 PM

How do you protect from sides with mast? I have read about..it doesnt respond to or need an AI ,but may need something else...?

**sonysucks** · 03-08-2009, 09:55 AM

I have the nolva and clomid and and some aromasin for pct ,plus a little adex left for on cycle. But I will want to make sure I have on hand whats required for the first time I will be using this new compound...I have read about letro and finast...but have not found much info on those ancillaries yet.

**sonysucks** · 03-08-2009, 05:39 PM

Well the mast does look good,but finding it in a long ester is not working out. So I may have to overlook it as i cant handle eod injections...2 x week is my max.
If someone can pm me about where to get it in enth ester or even oral I would be grateful.
If not then can we move on to the next best compound for my needs...
cheers.

**sonysucks** · 03-08-2009, 10:14 PM

Saw that primo has a long ester...and it sounded fit for the job...but due to cost I have to pass....so that leads me to a question I didnt want to ask for fear of flames....
What about tren....too scary for a 3rd cycle? Maybe a low dose....whadya think?

**JiGGaMaN** · 03-08-2009, 10:16 PM

do it.

**sonysucks** · 03-08-2009, 10:25 PM

So after some thinking here is what i hoping will be logical. let me know.
To do another cycle and end down in bf and up a little in size I am thinking the following.
week 1 -12 test E at only 300mg /week
week 1-10 tren e at 200mg a week
week 7-13 anavar at 40 mg /day
clen cycled on and off after week 6
week 6-12 cytomel t3.
pct of arom and nolv and pro for 30 days..

The thinking is the low dose of test keeps me from bieng catabolic while on the t3 and doing cardio.
The tren will have synergy with the test and will be effective hopefully.
Then the clen and t3 is to keep the metabolism zoomin.
Chime in guys.
Cheers.

**Mammon** · 03-08-2009, 10:32 PM

id run the tren a 3-10 if your running the test e 12 weeks..
id run the var 2 weeks past the enanthate

**sonysucks** · 03-08-2009, 10:39 PM

So 7 weeks of tren...thats long enough
and I had planned to run the var two weeks past the test...just came out wrong....
can you still the fears about the tren sides...in particular the sleeplessness....

**MD22** · 03-08-2009, 11:08 PM

Originally Posted by sonysucks

My thoughts are leading to test e at 500mg a week shot 2 x a week and some var at 50 mg for the last 6 weeks...so very similar to my last cycle...here is where I need help. What else is suggested to aid in this cutting cycle. Tren sounds good,but may not be wise yet...I dont know enough about my tolerances.(like when I learned that winny is tough for me to take due to my shoulders and hands aching) but it does seem tempting...is it something I could add at a lower dosage of 2-300 mg a week and get some benefits without too bad of sides? That would be good...and if if gets tough on me..I can dump it...

Tren has many harsh side-effect's.. Although they will vary from person to person, they are always pretty similar ( If that makes sense ). If you are worried about about side effects possibly getting to hard on you, to the point where you want to stop running that particular compound, I defiantly wouldn't consider running Tren. Because like any other gear, you will experience side-effects and Tren sides are as harsh as they get in many ways, but it's all up to you. I may have missed this in a previous post, but I'm curious to why your not willing to do short estered compounds and shoot ED or EOD? I think Prop would really be a good consideration for you if by some chance you can get into the ED shots.

**sonysucks** · 03-08-2009, 11:40 PM

Managed eod for a about a month...it was too much...at 2x week I look forward to it...I was so pinphobic that I have passed out in the past so each injection at a decent interval is an exciting victory.
I have already had to drop on compound at midstream ...winny ,made my hands feel useless. Had zero ball skills left...
Mast E is what I would like...but the results I read of from tren are so enticing.

**MD22** · 03-09-2009, 12:04 AM

Gotcha. Just don't let the good make you forget the bad. Im not trying to put down Tren at all and push you away from anything you may what to do...obviously its completely up to you. I'm just concerned about your previous comment about just cutting a compound short because of its negative effects.... If you're gonna run it, run it all the way through 100% if not, just don't even do it, you're better off finding something you won't second guess yourself mid way through and you will be much happier with yourself and the results. IMO

**sonysucks** · 03-09-2009, 12:18 AM

True.

**Mammon** · 03-09-2009, 08:53 AM

Originally Posted by sonysucks

So 7 weeks of tren...thats long enough
and I had planned to run the var two weeks past the test...just came out wrong....
can you still the fears about the tren sides...in particular the sleeplessness....

the reasons i said tren a 3-10....
if using a long ester test with tren a i like to give it a few weeks to let the test to begin to reach peak blood levels before i start the tren a.
i also like to run the test a couple weeks past the tren.
in reality id run the test a little longer.
i also run var for an extended period of time so id run it the entire cycle but guess i wont recommend that here for you..
how about something like this.

test e 1-14
tren a 3-12
var 6/8-16

**sonysucks** · 03-09-2009, 09:09 AM

Mammon sorry to throw a wrench in...thanks for the work so far but I was thinking tren E not A to keep to a 2x week "your gonna feel a little prick."
I can run the test to 13 or 14 weeks which would allow for two weeks at each one with no tren and still have me on tren for 9-10 weeks.
If I could source out some mast e would I be wise to follow the same pattern as you suggest for the tren?

**Mammon** · 03-09-2009, 09:20 AM

well.. i was thinking tren a.. with the enanthate

test e 1-12
tren e 1-10
mast e 1-10

**sonysucks** · 03-09-2009, 09:56 AM

Got it..
have you used both or either tren or mast?

**Mammon** · 03-09-2009, 09:59 AM

yes sir.. what your thinking of running is one of my favorites

**sonysucks** · 03-09-2009, 01:56 PM

which one ...tren test both enth or test mast ,both again enth...or hell..all 3?
IYO will the small tren dose be a waste or will it keep sides down...

**Mammon** · 03-09-2009, 02:05 PM

ive used all 3.. test and tren.. test and mast.. short esters long esters you name it.. lol
you could run a lower dose.. like say 300mg

**sonysucks** · 03-09-2009, 07:35 PM

I was planning tren at only 200mg a week ...so thats why I was asking about realistic expectations for effectiveness and sides...cause that aint much juice is it.

**sonysucks** · 03-11-2009, 10:55 AM

anyone taken these low dosages before?

**Mammon** · 03-11-2009, 12:47 PM

you will get something out of it.. lowest i ran tren e was 300mg.. my first run with the enanthate.. it worked well..

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