1st cycle but high BF%. Wait or run Clen

**xthemuffinmanxx** · 03-09-2009, 03:24 PM

I am about to purchase my 1st cycle.

Background information -

Keto diet at 2200-2500 calories a day. Carb up on Fri night and saturday morning.

Weight:257lbs
Bodyfat: 27%
Arms: 14 3/4 in.
Waist: 43in
Chest: 44in
Neck: 16in
Hips below belly: 45in
Belly: 46.5in
Thighs: 29in

My routine is a CKD workout:
Monday

Bench Presses 3x8
Decline Bench Presses
Incline Presses 3x8
LAT Pulldowns
Seated Rows
Lumbar Extensions
Abdominal Isolater
Dips
Cardio as much as possible

Tuesday (Shoulder, Arms)

Shoulder Press Machine
Machine Tricep Extensions
Cable Tricep Pushdowns
Camber Curls
Pullups
Barbell Wrist Curls
Reverse Wrist Curls
Cardio as much as possible

Wednesday ( Cardio)

Swimming

Cycling/Eliptical/Treadmill (30 Minutes)
Thursday (Legs)

Leg Presses
Calve Raises on Leg Press Machine
Leg Extensions
Seated Leg Curls
Inside leg
Outside leg

Friday (Full Body Blitz- Prep for Carb load)

Verticle Chest Presses 3x8
LAT Pulldowns
Shoulder Press Machine
Camber Curls
Machine Tricep Extensions
Abdominal Isolater

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Now my main question. This is what I plan to run based on a sticky of Phreezer's First Cycle(yes I have spent several hours reading everything)

Gear

SUSTAMED 250 10ml vial

PCT

HCG (Pregnyl) 5000 IU, 1 amp b
CLOMID 50mg 10x50= 500mg
NOLVADEX (TAMOXIMED) (tamoxifene) 20mg/tab=50 tabs

Will this be good for continued BF% loss and lean muscle? Or will I benefit most from just a clen /t3/taurine cycle?

I understand I am pretty fat still. But I'd just like to get something to help with the fat shed and some lean muscle. The money is not that important if that matters.

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Diet:

**CHUCKYthentic** · 03-09-2009, 03:29 PM

there is much debate on here about bf% and cycling i take the stance of 15% is the max number. now some experienced guys can start at say 18% and be fine and get lower

for you, diet and cardio bro no cycle cycle yet
if you want get that clen

and where did you get that diet program thing?

**Mammon** · 03-09-2009, 03:30 PM

wow.. pie charts and everything..

might want to edit out that "lab" name

***FireGuy*** · 03-09-2009, 03:32 PM

If I am not mistaken that lab is not UGL and using their name is not an issue.

**xthemuffinmanxx** · 03-09-2009, 03:34 PM

Edited just to be safe.

I just wanted my question to have all the needed info. Looks like I am still too fat. I'll just get the clen cycle...

The diet program is just fitday. It really helps me stay in track and make sure I am eating 6 times a day.

Sucks, I was kinda getting excited about it haha. I see it more of a psychological stimulant.

***D7M*** · 03-09-2009, 03:39 PM

hit that clen and cardio, bro.

impressive second post (with the charts and all!)

**CHUCKYthentic** · 03-09-2009, 03:41 PM

oh and very important, when it does come to be that time. go ahead and get test e or test c. dont even mess around with sust and those blends

**Mammon** · 03-09-2009, 03:43 PM

Originally Posted by FireGuy1

If I am not mistaken that lab is not UGL and using their name is not an issue.

oh no thats an UGL.. dont let the fancy site and the BS fool ya..
that lab is him..

**xthemuffinmanxx** · 03-09-2009, 03:45 PM

Originally Posted by CHUCKYthentic

oh and very important, when it does come to be that time. go ahead and get test e or test c. dont even mess around with sust and those blends

Will do. The only reason I chose the Sustamed is becuase I thought it was similar to Sustanon , which Phreezer outlines as:

This is a test only cycle. I am using Sustanon in this example but enanthate or cypionate can be used in the same manner. I like sustanon because it’s cheap, it’s readily available, it’s quick acting, and it’s very effective. Later on You’ll learn Sustanon is better EOD because of the proprionate in it, but for your First cycle, this method of BI weekly injections will be VERY effective.

**Mammon** · 03-09-2009, 03:47 PM

i prefer a single ester.. but you can get away with 2 injections a week with the sust.
just not the best way to run it

**xthemuffinmanxx** · 03-09-2009, 03:48 PM

Understood.

**Kratos** · 03-09-2009, 03:49 PM

10mls of sust isn't going to get the job done imo
you could run clen , sure why not?

**CHUCKYthentic** · 03-09-2009, 03:49 PM

the thing with the blend is if you have a bad reaction to it you re not guna kow which test is affecting you

**Kratos** · 03-09-2009, 03:50 PM

woah, 27% bf though
I wouldn't cycle yet at all
focus on sheding the lard

**Kratos** · 03-09-2009, 03:51 PM

Originally Posted by CHUCKYthentic

the thing with the blend is if you have a bad reaction to it you re not guna kow which test is affecting you

because people are often bothered by a particular ester of test? huh

**CHUCKYthentic** · 03-09-2009, 03:53 PM

not saying often, just a possiblity

**xthemuffinmanxx** · 03-09-2009, 04:00 PM

Originally Posted by Kratos

woah, 27% bf though
I wouldn't cycle yet at all
focus on sheding the lard

Yeah yeah I know, I am fat, but that is what the change is for. I know it's all diet and cardio, but I thought maybe it would help speed up the process. Impatient is one of my bad qualities.

The 27% is only a calculation. I do not have calipers.

260 (x)1.082 =281.32 +94.42 = 375.74
375.74 (45") x(4.15) = 188.99 Lean Body Weight
260 * 188.99 = 7101
7101*100(x) = 7101
7101 /260 = 27.31154 BF%