WTF? Up and Down

**tigerbait321** · 03-11-2009, 01:03 PM

Alright, does anyone else here have this problem? I go to sleep at 181 lbs, wake up 8 hours later and I'm 175?? I eat and work out the next day, back to 180, wake up the next morning, 175-176 again. Its been like this for like a week or more. What the hell is going on? Why is my weight fluctuating so much at night? Why is it fluctuating that much period for that matter? 6 pounds? jeeze

**warchild** · 03-11-2009, 01:08 PM

yea man mainly its water weight your losing...i try to drink 2 cups of water when i wake up. think of it b/c your sleeping for 8 hours w/o food or water.

**tigerbait321** · 03-11-2009, 01:18 PM

that's the only thing I can think of. But its not like I sweat at night? or get up to pee? Especially 6 lbs. I wonder if my muscles are going catabolic because I'm not having any intake for 9 hours. Although I do try to stuff myself before I go to sleep...

**Immortal Soldier** · 03-11-2009, 02:21 PM

It's a mixture of fat loss/water loss/glycogen loss

You're body absorbs water while your sleeping, hence why you look "lean and tight" when you walk up b/c there is no bloat.

**inky-e** · 03-11-2009, 02:26 PM

Your bodyweight can fluctuate 4-5 lbs overnight easily

**Matt** · 03-11-2009, 02:36 PM

Its either the water your losing or your sleep walking to the gym and doing a workout...

**steropower** · 03-11-2009, 03:49 PM

Originally Posted by MAD MATT

Its either the water your losing or your sleep walking to the gym and doing a workout...

**letait** · 03-11-2009, 03:59 PM

your real weight is when you wake up in the morning if you notice your body is alot titgher cause by the end of the day gravity has pushed on you and your body is not as tight i have the same problem thats something i did learn in school on a day i wasnt still drunk

**StritationOrBust** · 03-11-2009, 07:51 PM

You might also have a crappy scale, or are taking your weight on different scales. Could account for a pound or two. But yea, its typical for body weight to fluxuate about this much, especially if you retaining water?

I assume your on cycle??? or why would you be posting on the steroid q and a...

**honda450** · 03-11-2009, 07:59 PM

I usually go to bed at around 200 and wake up around 189-195 (not on cycle)

**CRUISECONTROL** · 03-11-2009, 08:01 PM

Totally not uncommon... I have the same problem, mine usually fluctuates by about 4lbs

**Mad HaTTer** · 03-11-2009, 08:53 PM

Same problem here, shit is annoying, i can't even rely on the scale anymore.

**Big** · 03-11-2009, 08:58 PM

That's one of the many reasons I judge progress by the mirror instead of the scale.

**Subnoize05** · 03-11-2009, 09:10 PM

Same thing happens to me along with every1 bro. When you wake in the morning, your body is literally attacking your muscle protein for fuel, a condition known as catabolism. This is bad news for a bodybuilder; to stop the process, you need fast-digesting protein and carbs. The amino acids from whey get into your bloodstream superquick and stop your body from feeding on your cherished muscle mass. Any leftover aminos then flow to your battle-worn muscles to help with repairs.

During the course of a night's sleep your levels of liver glycogen (carbs stored in your liver) are depleted and by morning are very low, which then has your body homing in on the glycogen in your muscles for fuel. Consuming a fast-digesting sports drink first thing in the morning will quickly restock your liver glycogen and prevent your body from tapping into your muscle protein.

**GottaGetIt** · 03-11-2009, 11:08 PM

I've always heard it's dehydration.

**warchild** · 03-11-2009, 11:14 PM

maybe your jerking it too much

**tigerbait321** · 03-11-2009, 11:23 PM

Originally Posted by Big

That's one of the many reasons I judge progress by the mirror instead of the scale.

That is very true sir! Weight can be deceiving.

So, if the muscles are going catabolic, what is the best way to help prevent this? Stuff myself at night? Wake up for snacks? Eat first thing in the morning??

What do you fellas do??

**Someguy123** · 03-12-2009, 08:21 PM

Originally Posted by tigerbait321

That is very true sir! Weight can be deceiving.

So, if the muscles are going catabolic, what is the best way to help prevent this? Stuff myself at night? Wake up for snacks? Eat first thing in the morning??

What do you fellas do??

back when i competed, and i cared alot more about this stuff. i would set an alarm for 2-3am. and get up to mix a quick protein shake. but i certainly couldnt be bothered to do that now, when the only reason i do AAS is to look good now.

and yes you should certainly be eating something, very first thing in the morning.

but ya, the fluctuation is normal. as long as you are slowly gaining weight at both your weigh ins. then its all good.

**jeffefrijoles** · 03-12-2009, 08:39 PM

Absolutely have a shake in the middle of the night! I know most of us wake up at least once, if not twice a night to pee. I make a shake and leave it in the fridge before I go to bed. When I wake to pee, I grab it, give it a little shake and then chug it down. Feeds your muscles and keeps your metabolism burning all night as well. You will wake up very hungry! Which is ok, means your metabolism is churning... so make sure to down another whey shake as soon as you get up! Then I'll have my normal breakfast about an hour later. If you dont normally get up to pee, then set an alarm half way through your usual sleeping hours. Good luck!!

**GauchB** · 03-12-2009, 08:47 PM

Originally Posted by Big

That's one of the many reasons I judge progress by the mirror instead of the scale.

yeah buddy!!!!!!

**Deep_Fried** · 03-13-2009, 01:21 PM

None of the things mentioned have anything to do with "real" fluctuations of total mass/weight.

There are only 3 DIRECT ways to loose total body weight:

1) urination
2)defication
3)water vapor via skin evaporation and exhailation

4) cutting off bodyparts... lol.

Breakdown of fat, protein etc means nothing to your total weight change unless you actually excreted the metabolites.

Ex. 5 lbs of fat and muscle are broken down in your body, but the total additive weight of the broken down metabolites still exists in your body until they are excreted via kidneys and purged in the urine.

In short, if you wake up 8 hours later and weigh 5 lbs less, you HAD to have done so via urination or defication in the middle of the night. It is impossible to lose 5 lbs of water via vapro exhailation or evaporation from skin.

**Someguy123** · 03-13-2009, 07:45 PM

Originally Posted by Deep_Fried

None of the things mentioned have anything to do with "real" fluctuations of total mass/weight.

There are only 3 DIRECT ways to loose total body weight:

1) urination
2)defication
3)water vapor via skin evaporation and exhailation

4) cutting off bodyparts... lol.

Breakdown of fat, protein etc means nothing to your total weight change unless you actually excreted the metabolites.

Ex. 5 lbs of fat and muscle are broken down in your body, but the total additive weight of the broken down metabolites still exists in your body until they are excreted via kidneys and purged in the urine.

In short, if you wake up 8 hours later and weigh 5 lbs less, you HAD to have done so via urination or defication in the middle of the night. It is impossible to lose 5 lbs of water via vapro exhailation or evaporation from skin.

well obviously, its alot more complex than that. the body is a weird machine. if you lay in bed, and dont eat, piss, or shit, for 12 hours. you will lose more than a few pounds. i am no biological engineer. so i cant tell you how it happens. but it happens.

when i cut weight for my last fight. i didnt eat or drink, for about 20hours. and i lost 7 pounds. i was not on the can, even once. i did urinate a bit in that time. but certainly not 7 pounds worth.

**dec11** · 03-15-2009, 06:08 AM

Originally Posted by Big

That's one of the many reasons I judge progress by the mirror instead of the scale.

agrred, mirror and clothes fit best way 2 judge. body loses and gains water quickly

**moregunsthanroses** · 03-15-2009, 07:00 AM

That sounds about right my weight tends to flucuate approximatly 6 pounds as well from bed time to morning.

**Deep_Fried** · 03-15-2009, 07:59 PM

Originally Posted by Someguy123

well obviously, its alot more complex than that. the body is a weird machine. if you lay in bed, and dont eat, piss, or shit, for 12 hours. you will lose more than a few pounds. i am no biological engineer. so i cant tell you how it happens. but it happens.

when i cut weight for my last fight. i didnt eat or drink, for about 20hours. and i lost 7 pounds. i was not on the can, even once. i did urinate a bit in that time. but certainly not 7 pounds worth.

If you do not urinate out byproducts of cellular metabolism, they still have an equal additive molecualr weight to the original starting components. This is fact plain and simple.

If you lay in be and do not urinate or deficate, the only other way "mass" can actually leave your body is through water vapor evaporation via skin or exhailation.

There is no such thing as a some magical "wierd and complex" process that has "mass" just vanish into thin air. You are being ignorant. BTW, I am using the definition of ignorant as meaning "uninformed" NOT some derogitory definition so please do not take unnecessary offense

The processes by which this can happen have been defined in my previous post.

These are basic principals of science.

**Dizz28** · 03-15-2009, 08:08 PM

Mass can neither be created nor destroyed....

But anyway, morning weight is what I go by for lbs gained. Or like Big stated, the mirror which is the true judge of progress

**Akrobatik** · 03-15-2009, 08:20 PM

When you sleep you burn energy man! It happens.

**Deep_Fried** · 03-15-2009, 09:02 PM

Originally Posted by Dizz28

Mass can neither be created nor destroyed....

Exactly.

Originally Posted by Akrobatik

When you sleep you burn energy man! It happens.

Yes you do burn energy BUT has nothing to do with MASS being created or destroyed.

For instance, a molecule of ATP has one phosphate liberated thus a high energy phosphate bond is broken and "energy" is released and utilized to do work.

So what?

The total mass is still the same. You now have one molecule of ADP and one free phosphate.

In total they have the same molecular weight as the ATP did to begin with.

Energy release has nothing to do with Mass being created or destroyed, plain and simple.

I hope ppl here do some research into bilology, chemistry and physics before spewing out misinformation that others freely lap up and regurgitate all over the net. (not necessarily referring to you).

**tigerbait321** · 03-15-2009, 09:42 PM

hmm.... that's funny. I'm really consistent with my "overnight weight loss". And I can assure you I'm not pissing myself at night, and I don't sweat at night either. Especially 6 lbs. But what your saying makes sense. Seems like just about everyone is in the same boat as me as far as the morning weight in comparison to evening weight. So I guess that's a good sign.

**InsaneInTheMembrane** · 03-15-2009, 11:21 PM

^^^ so, what, you think you have a blackhole in your stomach?

it's cool bro, 6-8 lbs between sleeping and waking is the norm for me.... you're good

just make sure you take your measurements the same day and time each week to ensure consistency when you bulk a cut to measure progress

**Someguy123** · 03-18-2009, 08:02 AM

Originally Posted by Deep_Fried

If you do not urinate out byproducts of cellular metabolism, they still have an equal additive molecualr weight to the original starting components. This is fact plain and simple.

If you lay in be and do not urinate or deficate, the only other way "mass" can actually leave your body is through water vapor evaporation via skin or exhailation.

There is no such thing as a some magical "wierd and complex" process that has "mass" just vanish into thin air. You are being ignorant. BTW, I am using the definition of ignorant as meaning "uninformed" NOT some derogitory definition so please do not take unnecessary offense

The processes by which this can happen have been defined in my previous post.

These are basic principals of science.

i know biology. and understand what you are saying. but for some reason, the body just doesnt follow those rules all the time. you can call me ignorant/uninformed. but you can go right ahead and test it yourself. weigh yourself before bed, then weigh yourelf in the morning. you will most likely be about 4 pounds lighter. if you were to sweat 4 pounds off overnight. you would wake up in a gargantuous pool of water.

im not saying you are wrong. you did a good job quoting a text book. but the reality is, things dont always happen the way they do, in a text book.