suggestions please

[Wonglabow]

what would you guys suggest for a cycle to put lean muscle mass on? and be ripped?
at the mo i have had lots of fake stuff..

[D7M]

well, let's start with your stats

age
height
weight
bf....

[Wonglabow]

19
5.10
12 stone
dont know my body fat, a rough guess would be 10%

[Wonglabow]

anyone?

[Matt]

19
5.10
12 stone
dont know my body fat, a rough guess would be 10%

Bro you dont need steroids, your far to young your bodies natural test levels are more than enough. Your body weight is very low so your diet is bad. How many years have you been training??

[*RAGE*]

19
5.10
12 stone
dont know my body fat, a rough guess would be 10%

I think a clean diet would get you what you want.....I know you dont want to hear this but at your age...your body is making enough test to keep you growning.....I would clean up your diet please feel free to post to so we can look at it....and workout hard.....also if you want post your workout....IMO

[*RAGE*]

Bro you dont need steroids, your far to young your bodies natural test levels are more than enough. Your body weight is very low so your diet is bad. How many years have you been training??

good advice mad...lol

[Matt]

good advice mad...lol

I just beat you to it lol thats all...

[Wonglabow]

have around 800 calories per meal, inc, jacket potatoes, fish , usually tuna, some onions, and lots of brown bread. brown pasta mixed with fish.
i dry fry egg whites in the morning too.
obviously have my protein shakes, glutamine tablets, and liver cleansing.
creatine doesnt seem to be doing anything


i can max out at about 90k benching, do 4 sets, starting at 15/20kg to warm up then increase
incline dumbells
flys
cables
decline dumbells

biceps: preacher, 4 sets , 2 of which one arm based.
dumbless at incline 4 sets
and two sets of 21's

legs, squats, curls

abs, havent a clue what to do for these things really

tris, dips, crunchers, pushbacks

[RuhlFreak55]

90kg......so less than 200 pounds......yea....no steroids for you until you can bench 315 naturally

[RuhlFreak55]

if you're not growing add calories...simple formula

[Matt]

How many meals a day do you eat and what does each meal consist of, do it that way lol..

[Wonglabow]

well i have had cycles before. i just feel i should be alot bigger by now! if they were legit..eat 4 meals a day

[RuhlFreak55]

well i have had cycles before. i just feel i should be alot bigger by now! if they were legit..eat 4 meals a day

need in the range of 6-8

[Matt]

You need to be eating 8 meals a day, with an overall consumption of 4500 cals.. At your age diet is key, be real honest with yourself, are you eating anywhere near enough.. Steroids and your age can cause serious problems for natural growth...

[Phate]

90kg......so less than 200 pounds......yea....no steroids for you until you can bench 315 naturally

since when is that a good estimate of when someone is ready to cycle?

[Wonglabow]

so how many calories a day do i need to consume in order to grow ?

[Cat316]

def. try more calories should see results soon....way to young for the sauce still dont mess urself up man

[Wonglabow]

considering i started at 10 stone last year i have gained a good 2 stone since..

[RuhlFreak55]

since when is that a good estimate of when someone is ready to cycle?

it's my own personal measure i just made up......not like 315 is alot.....we could make it 300??

[Phate]

it's my own personal measure i just made up......not like 315 is alot.....we could make it 300??

strength doesn't mean anything as far as when someone is ready for cycling is concerned

[*RAGE*]

strength doesn't mean anything as far as when someone is ready for cycling is concerned

I agree

I use
age
height
weight
BF

and knowledge on where someone should cycle...

[RuhlFreak55]

strength doesn't mean anything as far as when someone is ready for cycling is concerned

*scratches head* phate are you trying to say you can't bench 315???

[Wonglabow]

so would you guys suggest, lots of supplements as well as lots of calories?

[Phate]

*scratches head* phate are you trying to say you can't bench 315???

Lol, i don't cycle so it's a moot point, and i honestly don't know, i NEVER bench, but i can put up close to that with dumbbells so i would assume i can

[RuhlFreak55]

Lol, i don't cycle so it's a moot point, and i honestly don't know, i NEVER bench, but i can put up close to that with dumbbells so i would assume i can

then why the hell you arguing with me

[*RAGE*]

so would you guys suggest, lots of supplements as well as lots of calories?

diet......supplements are a waist unless your diet is in check....

[RuhlFreak55]

diet......supplements are a waist unless your diet is in check....

mmmm i just ordered some lean dreams to try....perhaps it will counteract the horrible sleep depriving effects of trenz?

[Phate]

diet......supplements are a waist unless your diet is in check....

agreed^^^^

supplements are just that....they supplement, or add to, your diet and training to make it more efficient and create a better environment for growth

[Phate]

then why the hell you arguing with me

because some 18yo newb will see that and take it to be try, then screw himself up thinking that he is in the clear

[RuhlFreak55]

because some 18yo newb will see that and take it to be try, then screw himself up thinking that he is in the clear

well it's meant to be a minimum requirement....not a "hey i can bench 315 time for gear" requirement....

[Wonglabow]

so what could be basic foods i can include in my diet?

[Phate]

so what could be basic foods i can include in my diet?

go to the diet forum and read up

[Matt]

Any, i take it the op has bone now????

[Matt]

No he's there...

[RuhlFreak55]

go to the diet forum and read up

I appreciate the people that know how to do this

[*RAGE*]

mmmm i just ordered some lean dreams to try....perhaps it will counteract the horrible sleep depriving effects of trenz?

maybe you just afraid of the dark....so try and sleeping with the lights on first....and it that dont work then try some lean dreams

[RuhlFreak55]

maybe you just afraid of the dark....so try and sleeping with the lights on first....and it that dont work then try some lean dreams

*sigh* yep dats it big ruhly is afraid of the darks

[Matt]

so what could be basic foods i can include in my diet?

Go to the diet forum, post your meals in full, shouldnt be hard as you only eat 4 a day. We will then assist you...