Is this a good first cycle?

[jfalco]

I am 31 years old. 5'8" 150 lbs. Around 10% body fat. My body fat might be a little high right now because I have been trying to gain weight and slacking a little on cardio. tends to be very easy for me to drop body fat, so I'm not very concerned. I always step up cardio when spring hits and I can run outside.

weeks 1 - 12 sust. 500 mg
weeks 4 - 12 winny 50mg injections eod

for pct I was thinking of trying the method posted by pinnacle:

Week Nolvadex HCG Aromasin Vitamin E
1 20mgs/day 500iu/day 20-25mgs/day 1000iu/day
2 20mgs/day 500iu/day 20-25mgs/day 1000iu/day
3 20mgs/day 500iu/day 20-25mgs/day 1000iu/day
4 20mgs/day 20-25mgs/day
5 20mgs/day 20-25mgs/day
6 20mgs/day

But wondering if this PCT is overkill for this cycle. As I understand I should start PCT at 18 days after my last sust injection.

Here's my reasoning. I like the idea of using sust. over a single long ester because it has less side effects. I don't want to use a short ester because of too many injections. I figured adding the winny would be good to harden everything up and cut down on the water retention from the sust. Originally I had planned to use primo instead of winny, but the primo is just too expensive. I figure I'll get similar if not better results from the winny and hopefully the joint pain won't be bad.

[JiGGaMaN]

i would shift the winny to a few weeks later and end when you start pct.

[jfalco]

So I should start the winny midway through week 6? That makes sense.

Besides that does it sound like a good first cycle?

How worried do I need to be about hair loss. I've heard annecdotally that it can be bad with winny, but I havn't read anything to confirm that. What do you recommend to prevent hair loss if it is a concern?

[JiGGaMaN]

So I should start the winny midway through week 6? That makes sense.

Besides that does it sound like a good first cycle?

How worried do I need to be about hair loss. I've heard annecdotally that it can be bad with winny, but I havn't read anything to confirm that. What do you recommend to prevent hair loss if it is a concern?

seriously- not doing winny.

[Jfew44]

You really should get your diet checked out before starting. 150 at 5'8" is too light to start IMO, but seeing as you are 31, I don't see much harm in it. Your diet will be responsible for your gains, so get that on track before you start.

[jfalco]

I've put on 10 lbs in about 2 and a half months with just diet and exercise, so I think my diet is ok. I'm a vegetarian, so to gain weight I have to obsess about protein, which I do. I try to keep about 50% of my calories from protein.

[Jfew44]

Are you a regular vegetarian or a vegan or whatever else there is? Like do you eat eggs and drink milk? How do you get your protein is what I'm getting after lol.

[jfalco]

I eat eggs and dairy. Also tons of tofu, brown rice and beans, protein shakes and bars.

[T-MOS]

diet is NOT the best for growing

winny needs to be taken ED, not EOD and technically TWICE a day is the optimum due to its effective life of only 8-12 hours

9 weeks of winny is a bit much especially if concerned with hair loss. just go 6 and make it the last 6 weeks right up to the day before PCT starts which would be 18 days past your last sust shot which should be shot EOD

[jfalco]

So I spent all night reading, and of course I have more questions.

First, I understand that a vergetarian diet makes putting on weight more difficult, but as long as keep the protein at around 40-50%, does it make that much difference where the protein comes from? I've heard that soy protein is not the best so I try to get as much as I can from other sources.

I'm leaning towards reworking this entire cycle. Almost everyone on this board seems to recommend a singler long ester test over the sust, so I think I'll take their advice. It's cheaper too, so that's a plus. 500 mg a week seems to be what everyone uses for a first cycle.

Again, everyone here seems to be saying to skip the winny. I'm thinking of doing eq instead at about 400 mg a week.

So the revised cycle would look more like this:

weeks 1-12 Test E 500 mg
weeks 1 -11 eq 150 mg eod

Same PCT as before.

Will this work better for a first cycle.

I've heard that water retention can be bad on the Test E. Should I used something during the cycle to reduce this?

[T-MOS]

NOPE...go back to the drawing board.

Eq is weak and needs run at higher doses for LONGER periods of time

here let me simplify it for you FIRST CYCLES = ONE COMPOUND ONLY !!! ONE PERIOD !!!

That means if you are going with Test E , then Test E is the ONLY thing you should be running unless you want an AI on hand during your cycle, but an AI is NOT a steroid

It is harder to gain being a vegan because you are using sub par proteins. They are NOT complete proteins like good STEAK !! plus meat has other nutrients essential for growth not to mention complete aminos !!

So yes its gonna be MUCH harder for you to gain even with steroids, because mainly steroids allow your body to process MORE protein than it normally can .

[jfalco]

It is perfectly easy to get complete proteins w/o eating meat. You just have to combine the right proteins (eg. beans with rice, or peanuts with milk). I am not vegan. Of course it is easier to just eat steak. Then again, you're getting an aweful lot of fat with that steak (not really an ideal protein source either when you think about it).

Everything I read says to run eq at 400 to 600 mg a week. 150 mg eod puts me at about 500? is this wrong? How long do people run it? I thought 12 week cycles were pretty standard for a long cycle.

I understand the reasons for using one compound on your first cycle. I have also found several people on this site and in other places argueing against it.

Why would I adding eq to a test cycle require me to have an AI on hand. As I understand, eq does not significantly aromatise, so why would it increase the risk of estrogenic side effects?

Please don't take my questions as arguementitive. I'm just trying to weed through all the information I've been reading. I won't put anything in my body until I understand exactly what I'm doing.