2nd cycle...tren?

[laduem88]

i really want to run tren in my 2nd cycle but not to sure..i know iv heard it a million times you should wait til your 4th or 5th cycle...what are some thoughts?

6'
220
13% bf

first cycle (just about done)

test p 100mg eod-9 weeks
var 50-100mg ed-last 4 weeks

[Mammon]

i think you should have a few solid cycles under your belt first.

[laduem88]

i think you should have a few solid cycles under your belt first.

yea i agree now after reading about tren cough and nightmares...haha....i just have no idea what i want to run for a kickstart for my 2nd cycle...i was thinking

weeks 1-14 test e @ 650mg ew
1-?
11-16 winstrol @ 50mg ed



i dont really want to run dbol because of how you get gyno syntoms and bloated..i was thinking about Halotestin but i heard you dont keep the strength gains...so i dont know....

[Mammon]

if your going to run winny id run it 2 weeks past the enanthate . this way you can jump right on pct.
or instead could go with tbol for a kick the first 4 weeks.

[laduem88]

weeks:
1-14 test e @ 650mg ew
1-5 tbol @ 50mg ed
11-16 winstrol @ 50mg ed


how are the dosages? anything you would replace or change?...im thinking about running test p agian though

[Mammon]

that looks good.

[laduem88]

weeks:
1-12 test e @ 650mg ew
1-5 tbol @ 50mg ed
9-14 winstrol @ 50mg ed

or

weeks:
1-12 test p @ 200mg eod
1-3 tbol @ 50mg ed
7-12 winstrol @ 50mg ed

[Mammon]

either one is fine.. why drop the tbol to 3 weeks in the 2nd cycle.

[laduem88]

either one is fine.. why drop the tbol to 3 weeks in the 2nd cycle.

because with test p you start your pct 3 days after your last shot which means i wouldn't have the 2 weeks extra after my last shot with test e..so i cut tbol to 3 weeks so il have more time in between orals