Next cycle....

**Testostack** · 03-17-2009, 06:02 AM

Ok i know i'm prolly gonna be flamed but i'm gonna try anyway to get some sound advices!

Here is the thing.

Year and half ago i startd like every other uneducated aas users with dbol only cycle. Honestly u can say what ya want about the "no dbol only" cycle, i gained 25 lbs and retained roughly 15. No sides and great results!

then i did test e only cycle (250 ew for 10 weeks) just to start over on good basis, then stacked with dbol for the last 6 weeks: gains were great, energy and recovery fine and all, pct (proviron and nolva mainly) ok...BUT,

after my pct i started to cut and tried (maybe that was the mistake) to maintain my weights and little by little, along with getting more cut i became as white as the gym wall and depressed and stressed to the point after a month i couldn't finish my workouts. Worse, i couldn't get to work without having everything around spinning, my head wrong, my legs like numb and stomach disorders (due to stress)

Eventually i spent 6 months on anxyolitics before it came back in order.

After a year clean from roids, i started (again) dbol only 6 weeks ago and almost done with it...

So after that i'm planning to cycle off for 2 months and just wonder what to take on next...heard a lotta good stuff about Boldenone and my partner did really good with sust 250.
Only problem i'm not that into test after what happened few months ago....

Any ideas, any one?

Would be very helpful!

**Mammon** · 03-17-2009, 06:07 AM

how did you run the pct in that last cycle with test. may have been subpar. might have crashed. that can surely lead to depression among other things.

**Testostack** · 03-17-2009, 07:27 AM

What do you mean by "might have crashed".....

**wackod2** · 03-17-2009, 07:33 AM

uh well dbol only is stupid, but apparently you either eat a lot and gained fat or react very well to it or both.

honestly id go with 500 test/week for 12 weeks ONLY and see how you like it

but my question is why roid if your going to take next to nothing?

**Testostack** · 03-17-2009, 07:59 AM

My answer is simple: i don't think that's b cuz you juice Oz of roids you gonna get better. I've seen guys i've been training with for years who take "next to nothing" and get physiques you just can dream of...and i know what most would say "you don't know what those guys take", well obviously i know, we all take the gear from the same guy who also train with us and most of them have already been titled in IFBB competition....so all in all that's why....

**Testostack** · 03-17-2009, 08:13 AM

So that apart, Would Sust be good idea or....

Some tend to say Sus can mess up your blood level...personally i dunno as i've never used it but my partner used it for 2 months along with Win and it did work great for him.

What about just Eq only?

You'll say i'm trying to avoid test, but considering how things went last time, either Test E ain't for me (that case is Sust better idea) or should i try another path than test, if existing...

**Mammon** · 03-17-2009, 08:23 AM

Originally Posted by Testostack

What do you mean by "might have crashed".....

personally would not run eq alone.
how about one of these options.. just run a low dose of test with whatever you want to run. like 200mg a week.

or

run prop and tbol.. if you start having issues drop the prop and could continue with the tbol.

something along those lines.

**Testostack** · 03-17-2009, 08:34 AM

few years back i wondered about Tbol, but chemically very close to dbol (referring to the NO Dbol only cycle)....for very fewer gains and strength...
but why not, good idea!

Anyhow am i the only one to experience these sides after test/dbol cycle?
What could have i messed up in my pct, what would YOU have done?

**Testostack** · 03-17-2009, 08:36 AM

Originally Posted by Mammon

personally would not run eq alone.
how about one of these options.. just run a low dose of test with whatever you want to run. like 200mg a week.

or

run prop and tbol.. if you start having issues drop the prop and could continue with the tbol.

something along those lines.

Anyhow, thanks for enlightening me! running test is bcoming kinda pain in the ass for me after what happened....don't want the juice to interfer in my work quality

**Mammon** · 03-17-2009, 08:43 AM

dont know how you ran pct.. i was thinking if it was lacking maybe you didnt get your HPTA going asap and you had some time where your test levels were very low. you want to get your natural test production going again quick as possible. if you dont with low test levels depression can be an issue. as well as several other things.

i run 100mg clomid and 20mg nolvadex ed for 30 days or so.
i feel between clomid and nolvadex, clomid is far superior when it comes to the recovery of HPTA.
i tend to avoid proviron during pct. at higher doses its shown to have an effect on HPTA. altho at much higher doses than we would run. still i choose not to use it.

**Testostack** · 03-17-2009, 10:15 AM

I heard clomid tends to get you emotional....is that any proven or...?
I ran 50 mg of proviron , but how does it affect your hpta, i mean when?

**Testostack** · 03-17-2009, 10:16 AM

No related tyo the topic, but did you read the "short cycles" thread? what do you think about it?
That's what my trainer used to make us do too....

**wackod2** · 03-17-2009, 10:20 AM

Originally Posted by Testostack

My answer is simple: i don't think that's b cuz you juice Oz of roids you gonna get better. I've seen guys i've been training with for years who take "next to nothing" and get physiques you just can dream of...and i know what most would say "you don't know what those guys take", well obviously i know, we all take the gear from the same guy who also train with us and most of them have already been titled in IFBB competition....so all in all that's why....

and they never told you not take a oral by itself that will shut you down and make you feel like shit until you pct?

and uh a fat person can lift for 3 months cut and look ****ing amazing

cutting makes you look twice as big

if you want a body to die for go take test and finish off with 6 weeks on winny and be set wala never need to cycle again end of story

and honestly if your gonna cycle small like a oral only its not worth the pct money, the possible shut down and the down time involved.

you also felt depressed because your pct was not long enough or strong enough

you need a serm and an ai like sorta what i did but i used more but then again i used more juice below is a suggestion pct for the dbol and test cycle you did

Tamox 40/40/20/20
Arimidex .5/.5/.5/.5

4 weeks

now if you did that, my hands are in the air

**Testostack** · 03-17-2009, 11:20 AM

Interesting...didn't use the arimidex but exactly looked liek this for nolva, indeed

Maybe it wasn't long/strong enough, but that's why i seek advice

Sus and Eq for next cycle seemed to me a good idea, i'll give it a try and get my hands on gonadotrophin for pct....but honestly y exp with test left some bitter taste...