TOO FAT FOR ANABOLICS what do you think??

[lastrep1234]

Well been lifting three years, age is 34 looking to increase power and size, not into bodybuilding at the moment, just power-lifting, do you guys think at 20% BF (see pic please resist the flaming I'm a hairy bastard), would 500 week of test be alright, just looking to break a few plateaus i hit with the power lifting--no true experience with gear ---some day Ill work on the fat!!--I keep reading post that seem to apply more to bodybuilders who shouldnt use gear at anything over 15% BF--what about about powerlifters--any feed back would be apreciated.--thanks
stats : 6'1", 240, 20%BF, age 34, arms almost 20"

[T-MOS]

NO flame

bodyfat above 15% puts you at a much higher health risk when using steroids

harder on heart, more water retention, more estrogen sides, higher blood pressure

check out the diet section and get that straight before you jump onto steroids

you can look into CLEN for help with fat loss

[Big]

Personally I would say cut first.

[*RAGE*]

the problem with that much bf% you are looking at high blood pressure and the test will even increase it more. Bad cholesterol will also go up....It will be hard on your body...

[*RAGE*]

god I am slow

[Phate]

Personally I would say cut first.

agreed as always

god I am slow

agreed


to the OP, post all your stats and such in the diet forum and we'll help you with your diet and cutting

[lastrep1234]

With powerlifting the word "cut"=getting weaker thats why I really didnt want to diet --however summer is coming and and would be nice to see what this muscle looks like without 50Lbs of fat blocking the view, maybe Ill just go to the diet section now, i have about 4 months of cardio and diet ahead of me Im sure--haha!!!

[JiGGaMaN]

if thats you without juice, godamn. you could be gigantic.

[The Deuce]

See this is a topic that always gets me riled up... I know that the effects of AAS when you BF% is too high increases the health risks BUT !!!

I know many many many Powerlifters that are definitely in no way shape or form under 15% BF but they use AAS to be able to squat a half ton, bench over a 1/4 ton and Dead somewhere in between.

Yes the HEALTH RISKS CAN INCREASE but it isn't always a guaranteed. Ya know what I mean. I think I may be at 20% BF but I am still on Cycle as we speak and my BP is perfectly fine (might be partly do to the fact I am on a BP med) and had my cholesterol checked last week, just got the results back today and they are superb. I will continue to be monitored throughout my whole cycle. For those of you that have been paying attention to my POSTS in the past week I have outlined my goals and what have you. I obviously will not continue to be at a high BF % my whole cycle length... actually plan to be under the 15% mark with the next 6-8 weeks if things go the way I have planned. I have done this once before.. started cycle at a HIGH BF% and dropped to within acceptable levels at succession of my cycle.

I know all the VETS swear by the 15% or under margin, which in a perfect world is ideal. It is almost a necessity to be at that but thats not to say ONE half of a cycle above the percentage WILL KILL YOU. Or leave you with LONG TERM side effects...

I mean Doctors put some people on 250 mgs of Test E per week for a TRT dosage and the guy may be at 30% or above. You see what I am getting at?? I know that there are risks... hell there are risks in everything in life... that's what makes it interesting. I would NEVER tell someone to cycle with a high BF% but if they were to CYCLE at an above average BF% to know the possible risks and to be aware of what to do. It all boils down to personal preference I believe.

Just my two cents on this issue... Sorry if you disagree

[jamyjamjr]

^^^ started cycling at 26%bf, dropped 8 inches off my waist after my first cycle and came down to 17% only lost about 8 pounds on the scale... sust eod 125mg and var ed 30mg... it is more risky, but with a good doctor who's got your back and the right ai, you can do it.... you have to be nazi about your diet and workout routine..

[Test pilot]

I started at and remain above 15% on 500/wk test e and I look and feel better than I ever have. Haven't had labs drawn but my bp is in range and I haven't seen any sides yet. I'm new, I'll admit it, but I agree with the above powerlifter, everything has risks. I'm gonna keep going, I'll let you know if I grow tits and have a heart attack.

[T-MOS]

See this is a topic that always gets me riled up... I know that the effects of AAS when you BF% is too high increases the health risks BUT !!!

I know many many many Powerlifters that are definitely in no way shape or form under 15% BF but they use AAS to be able to squat a half ton, bench over a 1/4 ton and Dead somewhere in between.

Yes the HEALTH RISKS CAN INCREASE but it isn't always a guaranteed. Ya know what I mean. I think I may be at 20% BF but I am still on Cycle as we speak and my BP is perfectly fine (might be partly do to the fact I am on a BP med) and had my cholesterol checked last week, just got the results back today and they are superb. I will continue to be monitored throughout my whole cycle. For those of you that have been paying attention to my POSTS in the past week I have outlined my goals and what have you. I obviously will not continue to be at a high BF % my whole cycle length... actually plan to be under the 15% mark with the next 6-8 weeks if things go the way I have planned. I have done this once before.. started cycle at a HIGH BF% and dropped to within acceptable levels at succession of my cycle.

I know all the VETS swear by the 15% or under margin, which in a perfect world is ideal. It is almost a necessity to be at that but thats not to say ONE half of a cycle above the percentage WILL KILL YOU. Or leave you with LONG TERM side effects...

I mean Doctors put some people on 250 mgs of Test E per week for a TRT dosage and the guy may be at 30% or above. You see what I am getting at?? I know that there are risks... hell there are risks in everything in life... that's what makes it interesting. I would NEVER tell someone to cycle with a high BF% but if they were to CYCLE at an above average BF% to know the possible risks and to be aware of what to do. It all boils down to personal preference I believe.

Just my two cents on this issue... Sorry if you disagree

Its not so much that I disagree here, BUT what you need to remember is that we are usually dealing with people who have been unhealthly overweight for some time, have no experience or motivation to do things correctly, and still want to do the magic steroids.

So, advice to a beginner is not always the same as advice to a very experienced user that KNOWS how to eat even if its to be a powerlifter, and, they have experience with steroids and are NOT beginners

SO, we need to give them the SAFEST advice to try to keep them from going overboard as we have seen newbies on here that think taking 5 different compounds for 6 months is an OK thing to begin with.

Hope that makes sense. We need to gear the advice to the individuals

I don't do some of the things I would suggest to a first timer or heavier person, but then again I have been living with weights and some type of bodybuilding most of my life.

Main goal here is to keep them healthy and learning

[Test pilot]

That makes sense and I agree that is a very responsible approach.

[The Deuce]

Its not so much that I disagree here, BUT what you need to remember is that we are usually dealing with people who have been unhealthly overweight for some time, have no experience or motivation to do things correctly, and still want to do the magic steroids.

So, advice to a beginner is not always the same as advice to a very experienced user that KNOWS how to eat even if its to be a powerlifter, and, they have experience with steroids and are NOT beginners

SO, we need to give them the SAFEST advice to try to keep them from going overboard as we have seen newbies on here that think taking 5 different compounds for 6 months is an OK thing to begin with.

Hope that makes sense. We need to gear the advice to the individuals

I don't do some of the things I would suggest to a first timer or heavier person, but then again I have been living with weights and some type of bodybuilding most of my life.

Main goal here is to keep them healthy and learning

WOW !! YOU ARE BRILLIANT !! I never thought of it that way... you are 100% correct... I couldn't agree more... I can't believe that NEVER crossed my mind... I feel friggen stupid now...

Yes Bro that does make total and Perfect sense now... Thank you !!

[MD22]

Cut first.

[xavier_888888]

Clen is your friend .

[smokeyd]

hit the sauce you will be happy you did

[The Deuce]

Ahhhhhh i hate clen !!! But i think i may need to use it eventually... I hate the jitters ... Hate em !!! Plus racing heart = panic attacks... Not a good combo... Although i feel that if i can't drop my bf% enough without... I'll have to use it... I am dreading it... Absolutely dreading it !!!

[MMArmour]

Deuce you crack me the **** up bro!

[lastrep1234]

Thanks for the replies, I figure for someone like me who has been pumping iron for years, a BF of 20% is not going to throw me in the cardiac unit, once i get over a injury , Im going all out on a 12 week test-e/Androl kick start cycle and good bye natural powerlifting, keep you posted when I put the 5 plates up on the bench, been stuck at 410lbs bench press for two months--well see if the juice is what its cracked up to be---

[Big]

Thanks for the replies, I figure for someone like me who has been pumping iron for years, a BF of 20% is not going to throw me in the cardiac unit, once i get over a injury , Im going all out on a 12 week test-e/Androl kick start cycle and good bye natural powerlifting, keep you posted when I put the 5 plates up on the bench, been stuck at 410lbs bench press for two months--well see if the juice is what its cracked up to be---

keep us posted as it goes...

[DS21]

Its not so much that I disagree here, BUT what you need to remember is that we are usually dealing with people who have been unhealthly overweight for some time, have no experience or motivation to do things correctly, and still want to do the magic steroids.

So, advice to a beginner is not always the same as advice to a very experienced user that KNOWS how to eat even if its to be a powerlifter, and, they have experience with steroids and are NOT beginners

SO, we need to give them the SAFEST advice to try to keep them from going overboard as we have seen newbies on here that think taking 5 different compounds for 6 months is an OK thing to begin with.

Hope that makes sense. We need to gear the advice to the individuals

I don't do some of the things I would suggest to a first timer or heavier person, but then again I have been living with weights and some type of bodybuilding most of my life.

Main goal here is to keep them healthy and learning

I completely agree with what you are saying here, but your advise in your first post was a little to safe, according to what you just wrote. The OP, from his picture and stats, obviously know how to eat and train, and wasn't asking about 5+ compounds. He was asking about a test only cycle, and you tell him to go to the diet section? I know you usually give great advise, but I just don't agree with it this time. Maybe it's because I usualy walk around 14-17%. If it was me, I would run the test only cycle and just keep an eye on BP, and use an AI while on cycle, at least that is what I do on all cycles.

[GottaGetIt]

Good Advice.

Its not so much that I disagree here, BUT what you need to remember is that we are usually dealing with people who have been unhealthly overweight for some time, have no experience or motivation to do things correctly, and still want to do the magic steroids.

So, advice to a beginner is not always the same as advice to a very experienced user that KNOWS how to eat even if its to be a powerlifter, and, they have experience with steroids and are NOT beginners

SO, we need to give them the SAFEST advice to try to keep them from going overboard as we have seen newbies on here that think taking 5 different compounds for 6 months is an OK thing to begin with.

Hope that makes sense. We need to gear the advice to the individuals

I don't do some of the things I would suggest to a first timer or heavier person, but then again I have been living with weights and some type of bodybuilding most of my life.

Main goal here is to keep them healthy and learning

[tripmachine]

Its not so much that I disagree here, BUT what you need to remember is that we are usually dealing with people who have been unhealthly overweight for some time, have no experience or motivation to do things correctly, and still want to do the magic steroids.

So, advice to a beginner is not always the same as advice to a very experienced user that KNOWS how to eat even if its to be a powerlifter, and, they have experience with steroids and are NOT beginners

SO, we need to give them the SAFEST advice to try to keep them from going overboard as we have seen newbies on here that think taking 5 different compounds for 6 months is an OK thing to begin with.

Hope that makes sense. We need to gear the advice to the individuals

I don't do some of the things I would suggest to a first timer or heavier person, but then again I have been living with weights and some type of bodybuilding most of my life.

Main goal here is to keep them healthy and learning

VERY true..... a guy i knew started at probably 30+% bf........ he seroiusly ate worse while on cycle and bigger quantities because he thought steroids were going to do the work for him..... that was a HUGE mistake..... he gained weight, lots of fat and estrogen sides were HORRIBLE!!! he had crazy sacks of fat hanging off of him... yes 'sacks' it was really weird. He barely went to the gym and didn't even do a PCT because he'd rather buy weed instead of help save his body from going through what it had to go through after the cycle..... pretty pathetic guy actually

[Big_Intruder]

I completely agree with what you are saying here, but your advise in your first post was a little to safe, according to what you just wrote. The OP, from his picture and stats, obviously know how to eat and train, and wasn't asking about 5+ compounds. He was asking about a test only cycle, and you tell him to go to the diet section? I know you usually give great advise, but I just don't agree with it this time. Maybe it's because I usualy walk around 14-17%. If it was me, I would run the test only cycle and just keep an eye on BP, and use an AI while on cycle, at least that is what I do on all cycles.

Spot on.
The guys is a powerlifter and so are most of my friends, who all use gear and most of them are over 20% BF, maybe even higher.
Powerlifters requirements are different from our goals and so should be dealt with accordingly.
Yes, go ahead and use test, theres not problem even at 20%BF but be especially aware of the sides. However, test is probably not what you really want because as quick as your strength increases, so will your weight, so your strength to weight ratio will not improve......get me?
Try getting your hands on halotestin, anavar, and a low dosage of test prop, even tren......your strength will increase..... a lot...... and your body weight will remain possibly even a reduction in BF. Basically you need to start looking at androgenic.
By all means I am no expert in this area BUT I know what my friends take and a couple of them were champions of their country (I'm sure they where clean when competing)