here is my scenario

**chitownhoker** · 03-20-2009, 09:19 PM

I'm 22
5-9
178
6% body fat, will be down to 3-4% in 5 weeks
no cycle experience

I am going to do 4 weeks of winny 50mg ed up till the show.

I want to run a test cycle after the show.
options are:
1. run a maintaince of test for the 4 weeks 125mg/week with the winny up to the show then up it to 300mg/week after the show

2. don't start the test untill after the show and just start the 300mg/week after the show

3. after the contest run a clomid pct wait 4 weeks after pct then start my cycle

125mg/week isn't going to have me hold any water correct? I have arimidex too.

The final cycle is going to be 300mg/week for 15 weeks. with arimidex at .25 eod (i had gyno before and had surgery dont want it again) proviron will also be ran through out the cycle, although i am not sure how exactly to run it yet. I will use nolva 40-30-20-20, clomid 100-50-50-50 for pct along with runnign the arimdex through the pct if that is suggested

so what do you guys think?

**Phate** · 03-20-2009, 09:22 PM

can we have some pics? i'm just interested in seeing someone at 6% bf

**chitownhoker** · 03-20-2009, 09:28 PM

any recomandations?

here is my blog

I started at 205 at around 12%
down to 178 right now, 6% is an estimate
I'm taking new pics next week, that will be 4 weeks out from my show

do you not believe that i could be that low? for someone with over 4000 post its wierd that you havn't seen someone at 6%

do you have any input on my question?

**Phate** · 03-20-2009, 09:34 PM

Originally Posted by chitownhoker

any recomandations?

here is my blog

I started at 205 at around 12%
down to 178 right now, 6% is an estimate
I'm taking new pics next week, that will be 4 weeks out from my show

do you not believe that i could be that low? for someone with over 4000 post its wierd that you havn't seen someone at 6%

do you have any input on my question?

i believe you, you are just close to my stats, i should have clarified that i would like to see what someone at around my height and weight looks like at 6%

are you going to be running prop or enth?

**chitownhoker** · 03-20-2009, 09:49 PM

test e...the only reason i would use it pre contest was to keep my energy up....winny can shut you down and i am tired enough now as it is. such a low dose i don't think would have me hold any water. I could just take .25 of arimidex eod to make sure too

**Phate** · 03-20-2009, 09:51 PM

Originally Posted by chitownhoker

test e...the only reason i would use it pre contest was to keep my energy up....winny can shut you down and i am tired enough now as it is. such a low dose i don't think would have me hold any water. I could just take .25 of arimidex eod to make sure too

i agree, what are you doing to do for getting rid of water for the contest? salt manipulation or a diuretic

**chitownhoker** · 03-20-2009, 09:55 PM

when you say you agree do you mean with taking the test at 125 and running arimidex with it? I'll be taking aldacton but I am not sure if i am doing any salt maniupation....im just following what ever my trainer says

**chitownhoker** · 03-21-2009, 06:56 AM

bump

**Immortal Soldier** · 03-21-2009, 11:41 AM

Originally Posted by chitownhoker

when you say you agree do you mean with taking the test at 125 and running arimidex with it? I'll be taking aldacton but I am not sure if i am doing any salt maniupation....im just following what ever my trainer says

Yeah your running a diuretic, by salt manipulation is your meal plan being catered around very low sodium levels?

**hankdiesel** · 03-21-2009, 12:50 PM

I'm sure your trainer will adjust your sodium intake the final week before the show.

**chitownhoker** · 03-21-2009, 10:38 PM

I'm not sure about the salt manipulation. She told me not to worry about sodium right now and that was on friday....so im not really sure, but when i meet with her next friday I will ask her.

Anybody got any input on my test question

**Phate** · 03-21-2009, 10:41 PM

Originally Posted by chitownhoker

I'm not sure about the salt manipulation. She told me not to worry about sodium right now and that was on friday....so im not really sure, but when i meet with her next friday I will ask her.

Anybody got any input on my test question

does she know you're gonna use test?

anyway, i don't think you'll have a problem with the test, especially if you are running an AI

**chitownhoker** · 03-22-2009, 10:59 AM

Originally Posted by Phate

does she know you're gonna use test?

anyway, i don't think you'll have a problem with the test, especially if you are running an AI

so are you recomending option 1?

***FireGuy*** · 03-22-2009, 11:01 AM

If you only have 4 weeks til the show you are going to have to use prop if you want it to have any effect.

**Phate** · 03-22-2009, 11:03 AM

Originally Posted by chitownhoker

so are you recomending option 1?

personally i would go with prop but i think you already said you don't have that right?

**chitownhoker** · 03-22-2009, 11:26 AM

Originally Posted by FireGuy1

If you only have 4 weeks til the show you are going to have to use prop if you want it to have any effect.

I can see if I can get some prop but its not looking good....So taking the test e won't keep my test levels normal? I know you don't "feel" test till weeks 4-6, I am just talking about keeping my levels at normal so i don't feel even more lethargic.

**seriousmass** · 03-22-2009, 11:28 AM

don't bother cycling now.

you should focus on getting a tan!! you don't want to be red and burnt for that contest.

you've got test-enan right? that means if you're 4 weeks out you won't even feel anything until probably after the contest ( weeks 5 - 6 ). So IMO, I would just save the test and run it at 300mg EW after the contest.

**seriousmass** · 03-22-2009, 11:29 AM

Originally Posted by chitownhoker

I can see if I can get some prop but its not looking good....So taking the test e won't keep my test levels normal? I know you don't "feel" test till weeks 4-6, I am just talking about keeping my levels at normal so i don't feel even more lethargic.

Not in the time-frame you've presented.

***FireGuy*** · 03-22-2009, 11:30 AM

Originally Posted by chitownhoker

I can see if I can get some prop but its not looking good....So taking the test e won't keep my test levels normal? I know you don't "feel" test till weeks 4-6, I am just talking about keeping my levels at normal so i don't feel even more lethargic.

4-6 weeks out you are going to feel lethargic no matter what you do.

**chitownhoker** · 03-22-2009, 11:36 AM

Originally Posted by FireGuy1

4-6 weeks out you are going to feel lethargic no matter what you do.

haha, ya so i have heard.....so do you think it would not be worth it to add the test?

What do you think about starting the cycle right after my comp or should i wait a few months?

***FireGuy*** · 03-22-2009, 11:41 AM

I would wait, post contest is usually a time to recover and get your body back to normal. I typically go light weight for the first 2 months.

**chitownhoker** · 03-22-2009, 11:48 AM

Originally Posted by FireGuy1

I would wait, post contest is usually a time to recover and get your body back to normal. I typically go light weight for the first 2 months.

do you slowly bring carbs back in too then? Im assuming the week after is kind of a free week to eat as much shit as you want but than after that do you slowly go into a bulk so that you don't put on too much fat? I'm on t3 too and will taper for 2 weeks after comp

***FireGuy*** · 03-22-2009, 11:56 AM

I usually slowly taper off the diet and gradually reduce the cardio. Eating crap for a whole week after your show is going to make you feel terrible and will destroy your look in no time at all. I find it pretty easy to maintain an 8% look post contest for a couple months with minimal effort.

**Nitro29** · 03-22-2009, 11:56 AM

Man I know this has been said several times already, but prop would be perfect for you right now.

**SuperLift** · 03-22-2009, 06:48 PM

Im just curious why you want to cycle the test at 300mg/wk after contest.. why not 500-600mg? Just seems like a weak dose to me. Is it because you dont want the gyno to return?

**chitownhoker** · 03-22-2009, 08:16 PM

Originally Posted by SuperLift

Im just curious why you want to cycle the test at 300mg/wk after contest.. why not 500-600mg? Just seems like a weak dose to me. Is it because you dont want the gyno to return?

My point of view is when you gain a massive amount from a larger cycle-anywhere from 20-35 gain in weight is to big to me. I would rather put on 10 pounds of solid mass with minimal fat gain. The lower the dose of test the more likly you are to keep your gains is what I have come to conclude