here is my scenario

[chitownhoker]

I'm 22
5-9
178
6% body fat, will be down to 3-4% in 5 weeks
no cycle experience

I am going to do 4 weeks of winny 50mg ed up till the show.

I want to run a test cycle after the show.
options are:
1. run a maintaince of test for the 4 weeks 125mg/week with the winny up to the show then up it to 300mg/week after the show

2. don't start the test untill after the show and just start the 300mg/week after the show

3. after the contest run a clomid pct wait 4 weeks after pct then start my cycle

125mg/week isn't going to have me hold any water correct? I have arimidex too.

The final cycle is going to be 300mg/week for 15 weeks. with arimidex at .25 eod (i had gyno before and had surgery dont want it again) proviron will also be ran through out the cycle, although i am not sure how exactly to run it yet. I will use nolva 40-30-20-20, clomid 100-50-50-50 for pct along with runnign the arimdex through the pct if that is suggested

so what do you guys think?

[Phate]

can we have some pics? i'm just interested in seeing someone at 6% bf

[chitownhoker]

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=367852

here is my blog

I started at 205 at around 12%
down to 178 right now, 6% is an estimate
I'm taking new pics next week, that will be 4 weeks out from my show

do you not believe that i could be that low? for someone with over 4000 post its wierd that you havn't seen someone at 6%

do you have any input on my question?

[Phate]

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=367852

here is my blog

I started at 205 at around 12%
down to 178 right now, 6% is an estimate
I'm taking new pics next week, that will be 4 weeks out from my show

do you not believe that i could be that low? for someone with over 4000 post its wierd that you havn't seen someone at 6%

do you have any input on my question?

i believe you, you are just close to my stats, i should have clarified that i would like to see what someone at around my height and weight looks like at 6%

are you going to be running prop or enth?

[chitownhoker]

test e...the only reason i would use it pre contest was to keep my energy up....winny can shut you down and i am tired enough now as it is. such a low dose i don't think would have me hold any water. I could just take .25 of arimidex eod to make sure too

[Phate]

test e...the only reason i would use it pre contest was to keep my energy up....winny can shut you down and i am tired enough now as it is. such a low dose i don't think would have me hold any water. I could just take .25 of arimidex eod to make sure too

i agree, what are you doing to do for getting rid of water for the contest? salt manipulation or a diuretic

[chitownhoker]

when you say you agree do you mean with taking the test at 125 and running arimidex with it? I'll be taking aldacton but I am not sure if i am doing any salt maniupation....im just following what ever my trainer says

[chitownhoker]

bump

[Immortal Soldier]

when you say you agree do you mean with taking the test at 125 and running arimidex with it? I'll be taking aldacton but I am not sure if i am doing any salt maniupation....im just following what ever my trainer says

Yeah your running a diuretic, by salt manipulation is your meal plan being catered around very low sodium levels?

[hankdiesel]

I'm sure your trainer will adjust your sodium intake the final week before the show.

[chitownhoker]

I'm not sure about the salt manipulation. She told me not to worry about sodium right now and that was on friday....so im not really sure, but when i meet with her next friday I will ask her.


Anybody got any input on my test question

[Phate]

I'm not sure about the salt manipulation. She told me not to worry about sodium right now and that was on friday....so im not really sure, but when i meet with her next friday I will ask her.


Anybody got any input on my test question

does she know you're gonna use test?

anyway, i don't think you'll have a problem with the test, especially if you are running an AI

[chitownhoker]

does she know you're gonna use test?

anyway, i don't think you'll have a problem with the test, especially if you are running an AI

so are you recomending option 1?

[FireGuy]

If you only have 4 weeks til the show you are going to have to use prop if you want it to have any effect.

[Phate]

so are you recomending option 1?

personally i would go with prop but i think you already said you don't have that right?

[chitownhoker]

If you only have 4 weeks til the show you are going to have to use prop if you want it to have any effect.

I can see if I can get some prop but its not looking good....So taking the test e won't keep my test levels normal? I know you don't "feel" test till weeks 4-6, I am just talking about keeping my levels at normal so i don't feel even more lethargic.

[seriousmass]

don't bother cycling now.

you should focus on getting a tan!! you don't want to be red and burnt for that contest.

you've got test-enan right? that means if you're 4 weeks out you won't even feel anything until probably after the contest ( weeks 5 - 6 ). So IMO, I would just save the test and run it at 300mg EW after the contest.

[seriousmass]

I can see if I can get some prop but its not looking good....So taking the test e won't keep my test levels normal? I know you don't "feel" test till weeks 4-6, I am just talking about keeping my levels at normal so i don't feel even more lethargic.

Not in the time-frame you've presented.

[FireGuy]

I can see if I can get some prop but its not looking good....So taking the test e won't keep my test levels normal? I know you don't "feel" test till weeks 4-6, I am just talking about keeping my levels at normal so i don't feel even more lethargic.

4-6 weeks out you are going to feel lethargic no matter what you do.

[chitownhoker]

4-6 weeks out you are going to feel lethargic no matter what you do.

haha, ya so i have heard.....so do you think it would not be worth it to add the test?

What do you think about starting the cycle right after my comp or should i wait a few months?

[FireGuy]

I would wait, post contest is usually a time to recover and get your body back to normal. I typically go light weight for the first 2 months.

[chitownhoker]

I would wait, post contest is usually a time to recover and get your body back to normal. I typically go light weight for the first 2 months.

do you slowly bring carbs back in too then? Im assuming the week after is kind of a free week to eat as much shit as you want but than after that do you slowly go into a bulk so that you don't put on too much fat? I'm on t3 too and will taper for 2 weeks after comp

[FireGuy]

I usually slowly taper off the diet and gradually reduce the cardio. Eating crap for a whole week after your show is going to make you feel terrible and will destroy your look in no time at all. I find it pretty easy to maintain an 8% look post contest for a couple months with minimal effort.

[Nitro29]

Man I know this has been said several times already, but prop would be perfect for you right now.

[SuperLift]

Im just curious why you want to cycle the test at 300mg/wk after contest.. why not 500-600mg? Just seems like a weak dose to me. Is it because you dont want the gyno to return?

[chitownhoker]

Im just curious why you want to cycle the test at 300mg/wk after contest.. why not 500-600mg? Just seems like a weak dose to me. Is it because you dont want the gyno to return?

My point of view is when you gain a massive amount from a larger cycle-anywhere from 20-35 gain in weight is to big to me. I would rather put on 10 pounds of solid mass with minimal fat gain. The lower the dose of test the more likly you are to keep your gains is what I have come to conclude